Tags: sam

Lets Fight That Evil

Character Development and Actor Love.

I find that the tendancy to put a character on a pedestal so that they can do no wrong, or, on the other hand, degrade a character so that they can do no right is boring.

As you all know, in the Buffy!Verse my favourite character is Spike. At this point I will say 'I' but I know many others who love Spike, but are fully aware of his faults. Spike is interesting bacause of the character development given from him, from where he started off in Season Two, to where he finished off in Season Seven.

Spike had one of the most challenging and complex story arcs that led to his development in the series. I find people who do not acknowledge it are showing some lack of depth of understanding the shades of grey, and work Joss and the other members of the creative crew gave to the character. While, on the other hand, vocally proclaiming that Angel never did any wrong takes away from his character as well. He would've been very boring if that was the case. The same can be said for many of the other characters. Part of what makes Joss' work interesting is his character developments, and motivations. I feel those who do not see it have missed out on a lot of his work.

While Eric is not quite the master Joss is, I do find Sam's character development over the seasons very interesting as well. Rewatching where he started out in Season One, to where he is now is one of the things I enjoy the most about the show, and gives me lots of food for thought.

It is the very nature of having a favourite actor that leads to them being put on a pedestal. He/She becomes an ideal. What should be remembered though is that they are not the real person, who is getting on with their live's, and has a life to live. If you write/read RPF or RPS then the character in your fic is as fictional as any other character in a work of fiction. Making your idealised version the 'hero' just leads to boring fic.
Highway Sam Dean

My Wincester Brothers song.

Ihis is my song about the Sam and Dean

Yes I know there is a deeper meaning for the song, and it meant something to us at the time it was released. Just seem to be what is happening with Sam and Dean as well.
Spike and Sam


I noticed it in the Buffyfandom the tendancy to have Angel do no wrong, while Spike could do no right. The total hero worshipping of one character, while constantly pointing out the flaws in the other. The whole point of character development in programmes is that they do develop. Spike fans can see his flaws, and also acknowledge them. We know where he started off, and what he became. It was what made him one of the most interesting characters in the show, and was what made Joss such a great storyteller.

Now in SPN we have the same thing with Dean can to no wrong, Sam can do no right. While the character development of both Sam and Dean is not as well written as it was for Angel and Spike, especially Spike (Angel could be very boring at times, he was quite static), the fans reaction is the same.

One character who is constantally good is not good storytelling. While Joss is better than Eric in that field, there has to be some movement in character. Yes EK may concentrate on Dean more, and show us his developements in more detail (another example of bad storytelling, after all he only had two main characters, so could've spent more time showing Sam's motivations last season, a major flaw of the season in my book).

If one character can do no wrong then they are boring, which I don't think either Angel or Dean are, it is just the depth of the character is being ignored. Spike, for example, moved from being almost a pantomime villian in Season Two, to a fully developed souled vampire in Season Seven. One we understood. While Angel was always far more interesting when we got glimpses of Angelus. To see where he started in his full evil character, to his search for redemption with his soul is what makes him interesting.

In dismissing the character to this one dimensional always right, always wrong way takes away any depth, or humanity (yes I know two of them are vampires, but they have souls). Humans are flawed, and so should good fictional characters be as well.

The depth of character development shown in BtVS and AtS, of each and every character in the show, is what makes Joss such a great storyteller, and his keeps his fandom alive. We just know we can put these character in situations and explore how they would react. I'm not sure that EK has given us enough information on either Dean or Sam to be fully inside their heads they way we can with Buffy!Verse characters.
passenger Sam

Sam's Journal

Ever wondered about Sam's time at Stanford? Well there is a journal you should watch/follow which explores this time in Sam's life.


Watch, join, track whatever, but lets enjoy young innocent Sam as he progresses through his Stanford years. It is up to day one now, and written in a blog style.

P.S. anyone noticed there is a push to make Supernatural a treanding topic on Twitter on Thursday? Something like #Supernatural?

So you could do Watch #Supernatural tonight.
  • Current Music
    Fleetwood Mac Love that Burns
  • Tags
    , ,
Guitar Christian


I'm just a bit worried about what has happened during Season Four of Supernatural. We have seen the little brother that Dean wants, and it is no longer Sam, not to say that he doesn't still love Sam, and will move heaven and hell for him, just not the ideal.

While with Castiel, he has been a blank sheet to begin with, devoid of human emotions and cut off. As the season progressed he slowly began to experience human contact, mostly Dean, who he does things heaven doesn't like for. On top of that, a lot of fans seem to like him, while there has been a rise in character bashing of Sam. We are not getting Sam's POV at all in the series, and he is losing sympathy because of it. It seems EK and the other writers have isolated Sam.

I really don't want Sam to be Lucifers vessel, but I can see it coming. So his character is pushed it one side, while we get more Dean and Castiel.

Not happy at the prospect

I'm spoiler free, so, please, no spoilers in comments!


Just thinking about the two Metas I'm going to write. Yes these are the things that keep me awake at night. Well and also that David was so boring while he was visiting I fell asleep for three hours after he left, I mean, he wanted me to decide for him whither he should go to Balloch or Glasgow after he left for a cup of coffee. By that time I couldn't care, as he had talked about it for a solid 10 minutes before that. Couldn't keep my eyes open.

Joss Meta

I see Joss as very much a detached people watcher, who is analysing what is going on around him. An observer, from a very young age, who now uses that information he has built up to use in his character development in his works.

Anyone else agree/disagree or have there own observations about what makes Joss such an expert on Character Development?


Sam Meta.

From the Pilot when we meet Sam, Sam is mourning. First it is Jess, then John then Dean. His emotions are very much effected by these tragic events, and his motivations and ambitions effected by them

While a character who is in mourning isn't cool, it is intricale to understand what is happening with Sam's mind, and why it was easy for Ruby, and, indeed both Azazeal and Lilth to manipulate him. He was under great stress, with feelings of guilt and loss.

Is this too depressing to write about? Would anyone want to read that?

I really don't think I could do the Meta without using it to explain a lot of what is happening with Sam, and where he is now.
passenger Sam


Still thinking about the Sam Wincester Meta/Character Study.

I think I will take a stab at Sam's state of mind during the four months that Dean was dead, and Ruby got him drinking her blood. I do think I know where his head was at, and that he was at a weak ebb when it happened.

Why do I think I can do this. Well Sam lost Jessica, his father then Dean within a very short time. I lost my father, Michael and my mother within a very sort time. I have done a little psychology for the counsilling courses I did. So I think I can relate a little.

Should I warn for this?

P.S. I guess as usual my characterisation will be out of step with everyone else's.

P.P.S. The two tents next door are still erect in the garden.
  • Current Mood
    thoughtful thoughtful
  • Tags
Guitar Christian

Challenge Responses

Two Supernatural ones in response to the challenge. One from Dean's POV and one from Ruby's POV, but really it is all about Sam!

Title My Brother
Author woman_of_
Fandom Supernatural
Character(s) Dean
Wordcount 269
Pairing (if any) NA
Warnings None
Rating PG13
Disclaimer Eric is the master. They are his creations.

Collapse )

Title My Lover
Author woman_of_
Fandom Supernatural
Character(s) Ruby
Wordcount 230
Pairing (if any) Hints of Sam/Ruby, but not really
Warnings None
Rating PG13
Disclaimer Eric is the master. They are his creations.

Collapse )
passenger Sam

Spring has Sprung.

Lovely day today. Sunny, warm sight breeze, people out doing the gardening. It might even feel like a summer day, were it not for the lovely Spring flowers in bloom. A day that puts a smile on your face.


Well Alpha Male Madness are down to the final two, Sam and Dean Wincester. Dean is of course winning but I kind of liked this comment

"I really like both these guys but Sam gets my vote. Dean ended up torturing people and enjoying it and crumbling under the torture, so he loses some alpha male points. Sorry Dean i'm voting for Sammy. He's been using his abilities he hates for the greater good and that's sacrifice. I have no doubt lots of fans will vote on who they 'fancy' I am voting on strength this season as a male fan"

See there are male fans of the show, it is not all females. The show does have more than pretty boys, even if that helps a lot.

If you do want to vote, go here

Dean is winning at present, but then Dean seems to win at all these type of things!


On the subject of voting, March Madness at Buffyfest is also down to the final two. It is between Spike and Buffy, so if you want to vote there go here you do not need to register to vote they take anon votes a well.

Thanks to sueworld2003 for the heads up.

ETA I have a slight problem with spelling, in that I have a slight word blindness. I cannot differentuate vowels. It just took me ages to find seize in the dictionary.