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Cutting Edge SF

So there's yet another list of vital SF -- all by white men, some of them dead. I don't want to shout at the author or host site. There are plenty of people doing that already, and it's not likely to be productive.
Instead, let's compile a list of cutting edge sf by other writers -- writers of colour, women, QUILTBAG writers, white male writers who aren't Anglophone or from currently dominant cultures, non-binary writers....
My suggestions include Nnedi Okorafor; Nisi Shawl; Aliette de Bodard; Dung Kai-Cheung; Justina LA Robson; Tricia Sullivan.

(The list also omits some really major white male Anglophone writers, who should be credited, including William Gibson and Walter Jon Williams. That is bad, too.)

I'm also doing this on FB and there's a #CuttingEdgeSF tag on twitter.

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mevennen
Feb. 15th, 2016 07:24 pm (UTC)
Fuck me fucking sideways.

I am sorry. This is the first thing that comes to mind, Why in God's name do any of us bother?
dancinghorse
Feb. 15th, 2016 07:26 pm (UTC)
Because the Big Truth can work the same way as the Big Lie. Say it often enough, say it clearly enough, provide enough evidence, refuse to be ignored or silenced, and very gradually some of it sinks in.

Edited at 2016-02-15 07:26 pm (UTC)
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 15th, 2016 07:40 pm (UTC)
Yes!
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 15th, 2016 07:40 pm (UTC)
I do wonder, sometimes. But Judy is right.
ex_hrj
Feb. 15th, 2016 08:01 pm (UTC)
I had a similar reaction: as always, other people will do his homework for him and at the same time will come off looking like whiners for saying anything in the first place.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 10:23 am (UTC)
That's one of the reasons I decided not to comment there. He's behind the curve: we're over here celebrating all the great writing out there.
doubtingmichael
Feb. 15th, 2016 09:08 pm (UTC)
So... not even obvious people like Ursula LeGuin or James Tiptree Jr? That's really weird.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 10:24 am (UTC)
No LeGuin, no Delany... It's a really limited, retrograde list.
dhampyresa
Feb. 15th, 2016 10:01 pm (UTC)
What, not even Ursula Le Guin got a mention?

Slightly OT, but I am curently reading Stéphane Beauverger's Le Déchronologue and it is AMAZING. It's pirates of the caribbean + time travel and I was expecting laser guns or whatever, but the first tietravelling item we see is A BOX OF QUININE and that's when I kew I was a goner.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 10:24 am (UTC)
That sounds fabulous: I will look out for it :-)
And yes, no LeGuin. No Mary Shelley, for that matter (it's a really out-of-date list). I was stunned.
dhampyresa
Feb. 16th, 2016 09:08 pm (UTC)
It's got a non-linear narrative, too, so currently the PoV character/narrator is dying, fighting Alexander the Great with time canons, joining up with Native South Americans to fight the Spanish, ruling a floating city because Europe is fucking gone and South America/any landmass is going the same way, narrowly just escaped what might be an aircraft carrier/the Flying Dutchman... It's GREAT. It's been ages since I had this much fun with a SF book.

(For what it's worth, there's been a trend for uchronias/alternate histories in French SF recently and while admittedly all the others I've read -- and I've read a lot -- have been comics, this one is still the best one so far.)

I didn't mean to derail the post, since apparently the post only referred to AI (going by other comments), so sorry if I did.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 17th, 2016 11:41 am (UTC)
You are not derailing at all! All suggestions are welcome and needed: I don't like the boundaries we create in genre. They tend to be used to exclude, not include.
dhampyresa
Feb. 17th, 2016 10:25 pm (UTC)
I read much less SF than I do fantasy -- and most of what I read in French is comics -- but I may get off my butt one day and post a list of French SFF books I loved through the years. We shall see.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 18th, 2016 09:13 pm (UTC)
I hope so! I'd love some recommendations for French books (and comics).
sartorias
Feb. 15th, 2016 10:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, this is so depressing, but not surprising.

Well, I'm going to continue reading other writers and talking about their books as much as I can. And not linking or referring to such lists.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 10:25 am (UTC)
Precixsely. Your piece on BVC is a wonderful counterweight to this piece.
saare_snowqueen
Feb. 16th, 2016 08:40 am (UTC)
I read that post. Another tedious mishmash of same-old, same-old mired in ignorance, by an old cis white man. BLERG!
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 10:26 am (UTC)
Yep. And someone who isn't flexible in their understanding of the field, which is really sad.
mevennen
Feb. 16th, 2016 11:06 am (UTC)
I don't think he is particularly flexible on his understanding of AI and I have said so.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 16th, 2016 12:12 pm (UTC)
Well done!
mevennen
Feb. 16th, 2016 06:54 pm (UTC)
The reason I don't write much about AI, in which I have a postgraduate degree, is that from a SFnal point of view, it's boring. It's useful as a plot device, but the issues around it have already been explored in SF and done to death, IMO. The current hot potato is Watson, but that's not much more interesting to me than the chess playing programmes of the 1980s.
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 17th, 2016 11:42 am (UTC)
I can see that. This is why I'm always dubious about writing historical fiction. It's not as exciting as people think.
cmcmck
Feb. 16th, 2016 11:35 am (UTC)
Sigh! :o(
uk_sef
Feb. 17th, 2016 01:50 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I necessarily know which writers are non-white but I can get a hint of which ones on my bookshelves are/identify-as women from their names. Eg Connie Willis. Plus a few more probably included tell-tale photos or bios, even before the era of Googling people. Is this limited to SF novels or similar rather than SF film/TV scripts?
la_marquise_de_
Feb. 17th, 2016 11:42 am (UTC)
It's books, at present but the tv and film writers are also important.
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