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17 September 2009 @ 09:51 pm
OF ALL TIME  
Here are several unrelated thoughts while I wait for someone to upload the season premiere of The Office.


On Kanye West:
I loled.



On Cat Sweaters:
I had no idea Lalla Ward (that's Romana II, for those of you who have yet to digivolve into a full-fledged Doctor Who Wikipedia-ing geek) made awesome cat sweaters. Some distant part of me sees that secret and reads the text and is like, "oh, irrational disdain for an actress because she ~dared~ play a character you don't like, how I've missed thee!", but mostly I look at it and I see OH MY GOD, HILARIOUS CAT SWEATER. Seriously, check that out. Lalla Ward, you rockstar.

So now I think there should be a Dwangela Office fic where Dwight finds this in Angela's house and fangirls Romana for a while. If this exists, let me know.



On Fanfiction:
I'm sure this is not news to anyone, but it just sort of dawned on me recently that there seems to be this notion that fanfic is serious business, and this is clearly false. Okay, so some fic is better than others. Some of them are original and thought-provoking and show a deep reflection on the characters/situations/relationships/themes discussed in the canon, and some of them are about a guy giving birth to a baby through his mouth.

WHO CARES? It seems like the longer I'm in fandom -- and it's been a while now -- the more "ORLY?" I feel about ~crusades~ for constructive criticism and ENDNIG CLICHES!!! and teaching those poor, naive fools the proper! way of writing Doctor/Aslan slash. I admit to being as guilty of this as the next person a few years ago, but now I just feel an incredible sense of facepalm and "OMFG, WHO CARES, IT IS FANFICTION" towards it all. If someone wants to write some horrible script-fic where Cloen gives birth through his mouth and then stars on Hannah Montana, more power to them. I'm still going to laugh at it, but I'm not going to call them out on it because flaming -- and negative reviews in general -- are just stupid. I'm also not going to start some secret treehouse specifically designed to exclude them because their execution of their nerdy hobby does not match my nerdy hobby standards. This is why I hate Teaspoon's submission process, and why I generally resent any archive with that sort of set-up in the first place.

tl;dr old Kali sneers at young Kali's elitism.



A Little-Known Fact About Journey's End


You probably didn't catch this, but what that little "HEE" noise actually means is "OMFG ROSE YOUR DIMENSION CANNON IS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THE DALEKS HAVE DONE, AS PUNISHMENT FOR THIS HEINOUS CRIME I WILL EXILE YOU TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE WITH MY EQUALLY-PSYCHOTIC AND BLOOD-LUST-Y CLONE. IF I SHOULD AT ANY POINT LOOK SAD ABOUT LEAVING YOU BEHIND REST ASSURED I AM ONLY THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I RESENT YOU FOR SINGLEHANDEDLY BRINGING BACK DAVROS, BREAKING DONNA'S BRAIN AND KILLING IANTO."

Fact.



On Talking Pop-up Ads
NO I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY POSTING LINKS ON GOOGLE. I WANT TO WATCH THE OFFICE. STFU SIDEREEL.


Andddd looks like it's up, so fin!

eta -- now with working HTML! Hurrah
 
 
 
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Kali: to :: pam :: most boring job_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 02:48 am (UTC)
It was decent. I found it online easy enough: voila!
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Frances: DW - Donna says OMGgoldy_dollar on September 18th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
This post was everything I wanted and more. I mean, you managed to find ways to bring up Cloen giving birth through his mouth AND managed to blame Rose for Ianto's death. YOURS IS A TALENT EVERYONE ELSE CAN ONLY DREAM OF.

I think the only thing it needs more of is Robin Sparkles:

MV: wut?mrv3000 on September 18th, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
WHAT THE HELL AM I LOOKING AT??
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Frances: DW - Ten - skepticalgoldy_dollar on September 18th, 2009 02:35 am (UTC)
ALSO CAT SWEATSHIRT WHAT.

And I'm not on with the hating on Billie Piper. Yesterday there was that secret about OMG SHE IS SO UGLY WITHOUT MAKEUP IN SOME PHOTO THAT WAS CLEARLY TAKEN WITH HER EXPRESS PERMISSION.

So I put fandom secrets on notice today and thus missed the one about Romana wearing cat sweatshirts.
Kali: dw :: romana :: hbic of gallifrey tyvm_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 02:49 am (UTC)
OMG SHE IS SO UGLY WITHOUT MAKEUP IN SOME PHOTO THAT WAS CLEARLY TAKEN WITH HER EXPRESS PERMISSION.

I was thinking about that, and how annoying it is whenever there's some unattractive tabloid photo of someone sneezing that automatically makes everyone be lke "OMG THEY'RE SO UGLY WITHOUT MAKEUP!!! SOMETIMES THERE ARE BAD PHOTOS OF THEM OMG IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE LIVING BREATHING HUMANS!!!"

But I feel like the fact that Romana makes cat sweatshirts kind of made up for it.
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MV: dog in leavesmrv3000 on September 18th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
Your icon!! BWAH!!!

On cat sweaters: I now wish to see craft work of all the companions. Betcha Mark Strickson makes wreaths out of bottle caps.

On Fanfic: I'm getting to that point as well. I just really don't care that much about making sure all fic everywhere is of acceptable quality. What's Teaspoon doing? Last I knew you just signed up and posted. Of course it's been a while since I've posted anything there.
Kali: lulz :: ad/dw :: out of context_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
On cat sweaters: I now wish to see craft work of all the companions. Betcha Mark Strickson makes wreaths out of bottle caps.

Omg they could sell it as like a combo pack.

Um, it goes through some kind of admissions process. As far as I can tell everything and its mom gets through, so I don't see the point, but basically I am against the idea that anyone needs to approve anything at any point. It's fanfiction, who cares.
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renee: wharrgarblrattus_aerius on September 18th, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
A Little-Known Fact About Journey's End

Well, duh.

On Fanfiction:

I always want to tell people to stop arguing and write more porn.
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 03:03 am (UTC)
This has little to do with your comment but I feel obliged to respond to your icon with this photo of my own dog WHARRGARBLing.

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demented & sad, but social: fanfic is srspapilio_luna on September 18th, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
Lookit me numbering my comment!
1.

2. LOL yes same reaction. Well, no, my first reaction was "Whut?" And my second reaction is always "Lalla Ward is married to Richard Dawkins, your argument is invalid." And my third reaction was "Because it's not like Billie Piper has gone on to star in a massively popular TV show that airs even here in America or anything like that. Lol she's such a failure." How can anyone hate on Billie Piper? She's fucking adorable and I'm completely gay for her!

3. You... are just noticing this? I try not to get too down on Teaspoon because technically their submission process is to weed out badd speling and EyE-BleEd InDUCiNg FOrmATTinG and I can get behind that. But depending on who the mod is doing the approving, how that works in practise can be wildly divergent. I've never had anything rejected for something that wasn't a spelling/formatting reason, but a few other people I know have had mods actually try to get all editorial on their asses about plot and characterisation and shit. And that is not on.

Shit got so hairy for a while over this FIC IS SRS issue that I had to like consciously develop a personal policy for myself. Which is this: you write fucked up, character-bashing, hateful agenda!fic? I'll feel free to mock you publicly because you're dishing it out, you should be able to take it. You just write plain shitty fic? I probably won't give 2 nanoseconds of thought to it, but if I do, I'll keep it private. I'm allowed to have an opinion but I see no need to foist it upon anyone who didn't (for some reason) already sign up to hear my opinions. My way of engaging with the source material ≠ everyone's way. I hate the fandom police and I hate the fanfic police and I suspect that a lot of the impulse behind this stuff is a way people convince themselves that participating in fandom is IMPORTANT and NOT A WASTE OF TIME AT ALL.

4. Have you been reading ladys_paladin again? *smacks your wrist*
Kali: dw :: doctors :: i'll see you again_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 02:56 am (UTC)
Re: Lookit me numbering my comment!
1. I saw that one and thoroughly enjoyed it.

2. That was pretty much my series of reactions as well. I considered pointing out Billie Piper's success since Doctor Who and also the fact that it's sad they have such a disdain for some random actress that is, in all likelihood, based on the fact that !!!OMG ROSE IS SUCH A MARY SUE!!!, but.. mostly just cat sweaters.

3. Oh, my rant wasn't really inspired by Teaspoon in any way, it's just something that came up because I am, as a rule, generally against any kind of submission process. I think HP has one archive that's particularly notorious -- I never tried to post there, but they would actually reject fics for not being canon enough/not having "good characterisation' or whatever. And I don't mean fics where Hermione kills puppies, I mean much more minor transgressions.

Which is this: you write fucked up, character-bashing, hateful agenda!fic? I'll feel free to mock you publicly because you're dishing it out, you should be able to take it. You just write plain shitty fic? I probably won't give 2 nanoseconds of thought to it, but if I do, I'll keep it private.

Pretty much I agree. I mean I guess technically I'm sort of publicly mocking the mouthbirth fic here, but I'm gonna put that under the umbrella of "omgwtf" and also assume that this random author from FF.net has no idea who I am and is probbably not reading this. But yea, basically. I mean, I get as many lulz out of badfic as the next person, but I no longer feel this ridiculous need to go around correcting people or maying do's/don'ts lists or whatever.

4. Hahaha no. But that was basically how he explained the situation to Martha before he whisked her away for what I assume was going to be sexytiems (I did not actually make it that far).
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Kali: dw :: cpt jack :: a man's gotta do_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
Oh totally, Dwight absolutely hates the new series, even though he has seen every episode. WHAT IS THIS ROMANTIC NONSENSE?

Alas, I use Camino.

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Kali: dw :: doctors :: oh shit_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 03:39 am (UTC)
As long as you don't legitimately think this was his thought process, we're cool.
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Austinjohnmayergirl23 on September 18th, 2009 03:35 am (UTC)
I think I'm attaining that attitude towards fanfiction. Although concrit still has its place when it comes to grammar/style questions. But being like "OMG THAT IS SO OOC, DONNA WOULD NEVER WEAR A RED SWEATER" is obnoxious.

Also, DUH. Doctor blames Rose for everything. He was just pretending to like her so that he could woo Martha. And by woo Martha I mean fall in love with Donna. And by Donna I mean Jack. And by Jack I mean the Master.
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 18th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
Yeah. I'm even reaching the point where I think concrit is sort of superfluous if the author isn't expressly asking for it. For a lot of people it's just something they do for fun, they don't need someone being like UM UR IMAGERY ISBAD.

I like how you went full-circle through all of those and arrived, finally, on the one that is probably the most likely of all of them. You've seen this, right? It is quintessential viewing.
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Sarah: lunaelirrina on September 18th, 2009 04:00 am (UTC)
Oh, I forgot- Kayne West? Clearly I missed something?
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Spikewriterspikewriter on September 18th, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
I had no idea Lalla Ward (that's Romana II, for those of you who have yet to digivolve into a full-fledged Doctor Who Wikipedia-ing geek) made awesome cat sweaters.

I actually have a copy of that book. I even made the sweater on the cover back in 1987. (I should make another one, though I think I'd alter the design because they're knit on tiny, tiny needles.)

I'm sure this is not news to anyone, but it just sort of dawned on me recently that there seems to be this notion that fanfic is serious business, and this is clearly false.

I take my fan fic seriously because I take all of my writing seriously, but it's not SRS BUZNIS for me because, well, not being paid for it. I have noticed that the SRS BUZNIS folks fall into two categories: those that feel they are on a crusade to "enlighten" folks as to how to "write the RIGHT way" and go concrit on everyone's ass whether it's appropriate or not. (And having dealt with concrit in a number of other arenas, what those folks are offering usually isn't really concrit at all.) The other is the OMG! This is SRS! How dare you attempt to STIFLE my CREATIVETE by suggesting I must use SPELLING and GRAMMAR and FORMATZ that are readable!!!!11!!! Help, help, I'm being opressed!"

I try to avoid both. And that's the reason I've got ladys_paladin on "ignore" on GB. I cannot take such SRSNUSS.

You probably didn't catch this, but what that little "HEE" noise actually means is "OMFG ROSE YOUR DIMENSION CANNON IS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THE DALEKS HAVE DONE, AS PUNISHMENT FOR THIS HEINOUS CRIME I WILL EXILE YOU TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE WITH MY EQUALLY-PSYCHOTIC AND BLOOD-LUST-Y CLONE. IF I SHOULD AT ANY POINT LOOK SAD ABOUT LEAVING YOU BEHIND REST ASSURED I AM ONLY THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I RESENT YOU FOR SINGLEHANDEDLY BRINGING BACK DAVROS, BREAKING DONNA'S BRAIN AND KILLING IANTO."

Heee! Yeah, I think you got it to a "t".

placebetween on September 18th, 2009 04:28 am (UTC)
massive agreement on the fanfiction, but I think I do prefer archives where the work is ~judged~. it usually means I'm wading through fewer fics where the author has no idea what punctuation is for, which I appreciate, because when I'm on a fanfic reading crusade I don't want to read REALLY shitty stuff.
Lizbazcat89 on September 18th, 2009 04:39 am (UTC)
So now I think there should be a Dwangela Office fic where Dwight finds this in Angela's house and fangirls Romana for a while. If this exists, let me know.
we need to write this

LIRL DOCTOR/ASLAN
totes canon
Mara: Doctor/Donna - OMFG!luckytohaveher on September 18th, 2009 07:23 am (UTC)
Lalla Ward is epic win. The end.

Doctor/Aslan

And now I want crack fic with them getting drunk and crying about how the Pevensies and the Companions BREAK THEIR HEARTS OMG

A Little-Known Fact About Journey's End

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WAT
Katya: My OTP cute and easily amusedteruel_a_witch on September 18th, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
It never even occured to me before that fanfic is SRS BSNS,lol. Hello, it is fanfic, after all xDD
Of course, if the author wants for his/her work to be read and approved he/she should at least try to make it look readable because it always boggles me a bit when the author is like "Look I just wrote that shit I don't even like it myself that much and didn't bother asking for a beta but you lot read it anyway and comment and bow to my genius!!!" xDD But even in a case like this I'll just pass by and don't comment because that's how I roll, I don't like to criticize, especially people I don't know well, I can leave concrit only if directly asked to or to a very close friend that,I know, will take it in stride. If I don't like someone's take on things I just don't read it, as simple as it is xD

But I was really like "WHUT?" when my friend told me that some people commented on her Doctor/Rose fic "EM YES WE LIKE YOUR FIC VERY MUCH BUT WE HATE ROSE CHANGE HER FOR DONNA ALREADY", I don't even know what to say at such shit...

and OMG DWIGHT IS TOTALLY AN OLD SCHOOL FANBOY xDD

You probably didn't catch this
YOU JUST ENLIGHTENED ME OH MY MIGHTY SENSEI, HOW COULD I NOT THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF THE DOCTOR SQUEING ABOUT ROSE'S COMEBACK.

*runs off to download Office*