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26 December 2013 @ 10:20 am
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I'm busy with family still but here's my drive-by reaction post to "Time of the Doctor".

  • lmfao I hated 99% of this

  • like this must be how people who hated RTD and Ten felt when they watched End of Time

  • i’m so beyond investment though that i wasn’t even mad I was just like, sorry for matt smith & everyone else

  • let’s start with how moffat’s idea of humour in a regeneration episode is LMAO PEOPLE ARE NAKED!!!! CLARA IS NAKED IN FRONT OF STRANGERS AND SHE’S UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT AND THEY CAN SEE HER NAKED!!!!!! LOL! NAKED!!!

  • let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED! the humanity

  • and his good friend/lover??? tasha lem is a dalek! oh no!!!!!!!!! truly this is a cruel world

  • but it’s ok because he insulted her and that snapped her back into being human or whatever

  • eleven spent 200 years off screen and another hundred or so in s7a and barely changed but his 300 year battle turns him into a wizened old man? ok

  • matt smith spent most of his last episode buried under prosthetics and wigs lmfao

  • clara saved the day by crying again!!!!!! god bless clara’s magical tears and the time lords who heed them

  • the entire universe wants the time lords dead except their BFF the doctor l o l


  • any emotion i might’ve felt over eleven and clara was so thoroughly zapped out of this ep by him sending her away twice

  • once again this entire episode was about the blessed doctor and how gr8 he is lmfao WHAT ABOUT HIM!!! WHAT ABOUT HIS LIFE! seriously we’ve done this every single moffat finale ok we get it

  • things i successfully called and must now gloat over: ‘the long song’ appearing as an instrumental while eleven’s dying. I KNEW IT.

  • the ‘legendary’ character being amy pond

  • actually, amy’s cameo was about the only bit i liked. even if that was blatantly not caitlin blackwood and karen was obviously in a wig. i wanted amy to get a cameo and was glad she got more than stupid barnaby waiting

  • bring on peter capaldi but give me 8 months to drink to forget this is the calibre of writing he’ll be dealing with

sherrilina: 9/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on December 26th, 2013 03:47 pm (UTC)
Lmao, perfect summary of my feelings as well--this was so WTF and bad I can't even (although at least unlike with the 50th, it didn't mess up overall canon too much so it's easier to ignore). I just...like I saw people on Twitter actually sad about that stupid head that appeared out of nowhere?! If it had been K-9 or something then fine, but this? So much cheap emotion...

And with Clara too I find it hard to be moved by her pleadings for him to stay when this whole episode just underlines how pathetic their relationship was, and how badly he treated her. I liked the nod to Amy (that was definitely the only part of the episode approaching any feels for me), but it did kind of make it seem like Clara got an especially rough deal.

What was the "long song?"

ETA: oh no remember, after 300 years he only had the slight aging, it was after another few hundred years he became really old...so he probably spent like 600 years total in that little village at least, lmao. Which is so completely ridiculous, especially given how stir-crazy he was just spending a few weeks at the Ponds' place with people he loved well in that one episode...but when has Moffat ever cared about something as insignficant as character continuity?

Edited at 2013-12-26 08:24 pm (UTC)
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 26th, 2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
LOL I just like -- it's a Cyberman head that never existed until this moment. It was Wilson the Volleyball except unlike Wilson we didn't even have the two hours of seeing it as the Doctor's only lifeline and sanity etc -- he was in a town full of people so it's not like he was alone lol who cares about the Cyberman head? WHY does he have a Cyberman head? Wtf?

LOL IA, like I could've maybe felt for Eleven and Clara but not with the way it was written, where she, like Amy, just pops into his life every few hundred years. SO MEANINGFUL WOW SO DEEP. Who cares. They did so poorly at ever convincing me that Eleven needs people around him that I have no reason to feel sad for him when he doesn't.
wheatear: martha joneswheatear on December 26th, 2013 06:18 pm (UTC)
Aw, I quite enjoyed it.

let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED!

...And this made me sad!
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 26th, 2013 09:04 pm (UTC)
I mean, I think it was Pure 100% Moffat Concentrate, so I guess really it makes sense as an end to Eleven's era because it was characterized by all the things that characterized Eleven's era. It's just, uh, I hate almost all the things that characterized Eleven's era so seeing them all crammed into 50 minutes just reminded me how glad I am for it all to be over and how desperately I want Capaldi's run to be different even though in my heart of hearts I know it will be full of the same exact incompetence.
sunnytyler001sunnytyler001 on December 26th, 2013 07:19 pm (UTC)
"like this must be how people who hated RTD and Ten felt when they watched End of Time"

XDXD I guess so XDXDXD

"any emotion i might’ve felt over eleven and clara was so thoroughly zapped out of this ep by him sending her away twice"
Well, Nine & Ten did the same with Rose, so... Well, I guess we'll just have to add it to the very long list of Rose/Clara parallels that will never be explained...
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 26th, 2013 09:01 pm (UTC)
There's a big difference though between what Nine and Ten did and what happened in this episode. When Nine and Ten did it, it was all about Rose fighting her way back and reclaiming her agency and how devastated she was to be sent away. When it happens to Clara, it's a plot device to allow for a timeskip more than anything, and Clara doesn't find her way back, it just happens/she gets picked up by Tasha not so she can be useful but so she can hold the Doctor's hand when he dies or whatever. She doesn't stay angry with Eleven, etc.

I think "parallels" is too strong a word for the similarities between Rose and Clara. Fandom was desperate to look for foreshadowing of Rose's return which ended up not even happening.
sunnytyler001sunnytyler001 on December 26th, 2013 09:29 pm (UTC)
I know! And the worst in this, that's Moffat keeps on using old stuff looking like what happened to Rose (being left behind by the Doctor suring a war, not wanting the Doctor to change his face, the Powell estate as a home...) when Billie Piper and Jenna Coleman didn't even share a scene together.
He just likes messing with our heads.
And al this is a shame, becaus eJenna Comean is quite a brilliant actress: she deserves better than this (and so did Clara).
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯rosaxx50 on December 26th, 2013 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, your thoughts are my thoughts. I spent 99% of this episode horrified by what was happening onscreen (but couldn't disconnect with it, unfortunately). Especially:

let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED! the humanity

I felt like I was missing something here. The music told me this was supposed to be a devastatingly tragic moment... Uh...


Hahaha, ugh, yeah. This is actually the part that bothered me least, because hopefully it would wrap up everything about the Eleven era.

So sorry for Matt Smith that this was his send-off.

I'm not, currently, as angry as I was right after watching--some distance has helped me--but man this episode was such a mess.
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 27th, 2013 05:12 pm (UTC)
lol I was so angry over the 50th because it ruined things I care about, but with this episode I have nothing in me to be angry about, since I stopped caring about Eleven and his godawfullly-written plot a long time ago. In a lot of ways I think this was a perfect summation of Eleven's era -- complete with gross inappropriate jokes, women allowed to do very little, everyone heralding how magnificent and wonderful the Doctor is, a convoluted plot that mostly happened off screen, the Doctor dying of old age because Steven Moffat physically cannot bring himself to kill any character any other way.

I'm sorry that Matt had to go out on this note because I think he as an actor deserved better. Whether or not I think Eleven as a character deserved better... I dunno.
Austin: omgjohnmayergirl23 on December 26th, 2013 11:03 pm (UTC)
I was so confused throughout the entire episode (surprising, I know, as Moffat's writing is usually so logical and easy to follow!).

My main thoughts were just ........Matt Smith, you should've been such a wonderful Doctor. Like, you have the capability to be fabulous. But you got saddled with the WORST writing ever. Absolutely terrible.

(Same with Jenna. Girl is capable of more than sass and tears.)

The only bright spot is that hopefully that time loop means that all of the Eleven-era bullshit is now squared away? And we can get ready for more Twelve bullshit, I suppose. Grumble grumble.
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 27th, 2013 05:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Like, we're well past the point now where I have any emotion in me left to pity Eleven or what Eleven could've been or anything, but it is a shame that the character ended up being what it was when the casting choice was quite a good one. Please, god, let Peter Capaldi fare slightly better. (Really, plz god let Moffat step down after s8 and someone else handle Twelve for a while.)
Opalshinyopals on December 27th, 2013 01:27 pm (UTC)
lol god it was so bad. but like, mediocre-ly bad. When something's really bad there's at least some entertainment value but this was so boring as well as being bad.
Kali: dw :: FROLICKING ON GALLIFREY_thirty2flavors on December 28th, 2013 05:10 am (UTC)
lol yes I keep remembering new reasons it was shockingly bad
Lady SugarQuillladysugarquill on December 28th, 2013 03:50 am (UTC)
Just... why? It was beautiful! And this is coming from someone who only watched series 1 and 2, Blink, some random s episodes (of both Nu and Classic) and the 50th special (on cinemas! I actually travelled to watch it! And I loved i to pieces too), so I have no particular like or dislike towards any actor/character/showrunner.

It had me crying at the end.

What's bad about it?
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 28th, 2013 05:20 am (UTC)
lol well... this post sort of encapsulates most of the things I thought were bad about it. I thought virtually everything was bad. The plot was bad. The time jumps were bad -- why would I care about a character who spends literally hundreds of years off screen? The characters' behaviours were bad. Most of the writing was bad. Clara was underused and given very little to do besides cry. Once again we had a character (Tasha Lem) thrown in as an "old friend" without us ever seeing how or why she knew the Doctor. The sexual stuff and nudity was inappropriate and creepy. All the dozens of bits that don't make sense (the villains working together, the town that doesn't progress or change at all in like 400 years, the Doctor aging suddenly now when he never has before, the truth field that is constantly foiled, the crack plotline, etc).

The only scene I thought was okay was that last scene in the TARDIS where he gives his little speech and hallucinates Amy and then regenerates. I thought that was nice. But it was much too little too late to wring any emotion out of me.

I would expect someone who watches the show casually to have a very different relationship with and expectations for the show vs someone who is very invested and has seen every episode multiple times etc. And that's fine. But uh yeah, it was pretty much all bad from where I'm standing.
queen: jenna -hmmTmadonna on December 28th, 2013 05:16 am (UTC)
It was so bad. I keep side eyeing everyone on Tumblr who thinks it was perfect. Just... what? And I'm so mad at how pathetic they keep making Clara. She's smart and capable, but she's clingy and always comes crawling back when he treats her like shit. Like someone else said: Jenna Coleman is a brilliant actress and deserves a lot better. So does Clara. Here's hoping 12 treats her better but LOL with Moffat's writing.
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 28th, 2013 05:22 am (UTC)
Yes I'm really frustrated with what's become of Clara in these last few eps. I liked her so much in s7b and I think Jenna's such a great actress and the material she's had lately has basically amounted to "look pretty and cry". It's so sad. I mean, the Doctor was pretty terrible to her in this ep -- he flat-out lied to her face and ... she... doesn't really question it or anything. In general, Steven Moffat won't let anyone stay mad at the Doctor for any length of time and I think it's a real weakness. The companions forgive him everything... and I get that they aren't going to hate him forever, but they could at least be mad for an episode. You know, conflict! Between characters!
queenmadonna on December 28th, 2013 05:25 am (UTC)
Oh god this reminds me of how when neither Amy or Rory seem angry at him AT ALL in The God Complex after The Girl Who Waited. REALLY? HE LET YOUR OLDER SELF, WHO COULD HAVE BOARDED THE TARDIS, JUST DIE, AND NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT? OK!!
Kali_thirty2flavors on December 28th, 2013 05:30 am (UTC)
Yeah that's exactly what I mean! Even in AGMGTW, after Amy realizes she's LOST HER BABY she's upset for about three seconds and then someone says "it's not his fault" and she's like "I know". OR in Let's Kill Hitler it's like 'hey you didn't answer our phonecalls ABOUT FINDING OUR BABY, have you had any luck?" and he's like "lol no whatever" and that's it! And then at the end of TDTWTW, after he's left Amy and Rory to THINK HE WAS DEAD FOR YEARS FOR NO REASON (!!!!!) and made them grieve him and all that BS, he shows up and goes "I'm not dead lol" and she's like "well I'm not hugging first" and that's it! She doesn't mention what a TOTAL DICK MOVE it was to let them think he was dead or make them witness his fake death and leave them mourning him for so long!

like, damn son. Doctor/Rose and Ten & Martha and Ten & Donna had fights and conflicts that would last entire episodes. Moffat's companions let the Doctor get away with anything.

Edited at 2013-12-28 05:32 am (UTC)