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27 September 2011 @ 01:08 am
sometimes we even watch things that don't have david tennant in them  
LOL in our continuing quest to watch ALL THE THINGS with Doctor Who alum, firstofoct and I just watched The Ruby in the Smoke with Billie Piper and Matt Smith.


I read the books a while ago and enjoyed them, in part just because of my amusing mental images (like the bit where Jim hopped around between 'a ten year old', 'James Potter' and 'Matt Smith'). I think the plots are generally hard to follow and not that interesting, but my amusing mental images pushed me through and I ended up liking Tiger In the Well and Tin Princess quite a lot. TOO BAD THOSE ARE NOT THE MOVIES THEY MADE.

Anyway, I'd heard these adaptations were terrible, and this wasn't great. It was pretty slow in a lot of places, which is partly the fault of Pullman's plot but also just pacing issues I think.

I'm not really sure what's going on with Billie Piper's Sally. placebetween had mentioned that she was not fierce enough and I think I agree. THIS BAFFLES ME because I know that Billie Piper is fully capable of being the HBIC -- I mean, come on, Belle de Jour! -- so I am not sure what was going on here or why the director/whoever failed to notice that Sally Lockhart is a total BAMF and should be played as such. Is it to try and fit with the Victorian thing? IDK but I wish she had more Rose Tyler/Hannah Baxter-esque spunk in this. I guess Sally is mostly depressed as shit in this book, but still.

On the other hand Matt Smith delighted me as J Taylor, Esq even if he was like fifteen years older than he was meant to be. J Taylor Esq is always delightful, and this is the first non-Who thing I've seen Matt Smith in so it was amusing to notice his actor quirks -- like the twirling! And the nose tapping. Is this when he and Billie were dating? I'm going to assume it is because it cracks me up. ~OTP~

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I can't help laughing my ass off at J Taylor Esq losing Adelaide. I mean, I knew it happened, but it was so much more hilar with Matt Smith playing Jim and in light of series 6. GOD ELEVEN, WHY DOES ANYONE TRUST YOU WITH CHILDREN? And then omg at the end he's all "I'll find her!" LOL. NO, YOU WON'T. AND THEN ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE SEX WITH HER. Why does this keep happening to you, Matt Smith. I am never letting you near my imaginary children.

Anyway, soon we will watch Shadow in the North as well. That book made me cry, so bring it, Billie Piper.
 
 
 
Hannah: Eleven; is that the one with sticks?firstofoct on September 27th, 2011 05:16 am (UTC)
ELEVEN STOP THAT.
Kali: dw :: eleven :: way worse than scottish_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:19 am (UTC)
(no subject) - firstofoct on September 27th, 2011 05:23 am (UTC) (Expand)
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captaintish on September 27th, 2011 05:18 am (UTC)
I loved that series. Well, actually, I only read Ruby in the Smoke, and Tiger in the Well, but I loved them.

When I found out this movie existed, I was excited -- and that was BEFORE I started watching Doctor Who. It was probably a year or so later, after Matt Smith had come on the scene that I finally saw it. It was very entertaining.
Kali: sd :: always one foot on the ground_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:21 am (UTC)
I quite liked Tin Princess too! Tiger in the Well was my favourite of the Sally books though I think. Really dense in terms of Pullman's political stuff, but enjoyable.

I only read the books because of placebetween and because one day I planned to watch the Billie Piper/Matt Smith version, though I think I enjoyed the books (and my amusing mental images) much more.
Let Them Talkbluetooth16 on September 27th, 2011 05:39 am (UTC)
Should someone who's never heard of this before read the books first or watch the series first?
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:42 am (UTC)
HMMM. I enjoyed the books more, and I got the lulz of picturing Billie Piper and Matt Smith in their roles anyway (which is part of what made me enjoy the books). Plus, my two favourite books in the series are the 3rd and 4th, which weren't made into movies.
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fauxkarenfauxkaren on September 27th, 2011 05:51 am (UTC)
I remember trying to read Ruby in the Smoke back when I was 12-ish, but it didn't ~do it~ for me because I never finished. lol. Idk. I think twelve year old me was way more into YA melodrama books.
Kali: sd :: new york i love you_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:57 am (UTC)
I don't think I would've liked Pullman's writing as a kid. As an adult I found it interesting because I could analyze his ~agenda~ as a critical reader, but as a kid I think I would've just found it really dull. I didn't get into the Sally Lockhart books until around book 3 though.
only arceus can have a perfect blog: he is the same man. always.spud14 on September 27th, 2011 06:03 am (UTC)
AND AFTER EVERY SCENE BILLIE PIPER AND MATT SMITH WOULD KISS GENTLY ON THE MOUTH
Kali: dw :: eleven :: SCHOOL OF WITCHCRAFT_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 06:04 am (UTC)
~*OTP*~
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Hannahfirstofoct on September 27th, 2011 06:35 am (UTC)
Why did you not make a post when we watched Magic Beyond Words??

HMMMMM??
Hannahfirstofoct on September 27th, 2011 06:37 am (UTC)
Also we should make a list of Shitty Things That Are Better Than This Is Jinsy.
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Leah: troll Stitchprofessor_spork on September 27th, 2011 08:04 am (UTC)
The Shadow of the North movie will probably make you cry, but only because it's SO INCREDIBLY BAD.
Kali: dw :: team tardis :: giggles_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 03:59 pm (UTC)
LOL SO I AM TOLD

The part that made me cry in the book is probably not the part that makes normal people cry, tbf. I don't find Pullman a very emotional writer. But he does use a trope that ALWAYS gets me, even in the most poorly-written context.
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Alex: [DW] Eleven in Snowredknightalex on September 27th, 2011 11:27 am (UTC)
LOL. NO, YOU WON'T. AND THEN ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE SEX WITH HER. Why does this keep happening to you, Matt Smith. I am never letting you near my imaginary children.

LOL LOL

...And that's my cereal all over my computer monitor. ARGH!

So I read in the comments that these are Pullman books? The only thing I've read of him was "His Dark Materials" Trilogy, and, yeah, there's some sort of bizarre agenda my teenage brain could not get, so maybe the books will be first to go. Although Netflix...has it. Huh. *adds*

I'm too distracted with other things to sit down for five minutes to read. It does happen. My phone keeps ringing at me so I MUST SEE EMAILS.

...Stupid cereal. Must learn.
Kali: dw :: idris :: where you needed to go_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 04:01 pm (UTC)
I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING. THAT LITERALLY HAPPENS IN THE SALLY LOCKHART BOOKS, TOO. Matt Smith is a repeat offender. (In the books, though, Matt Smith's character is like 10 in this first book and therefore only a couple years older than the kid he loses, so it does not have the same creepy undertones in terms of age gap.)

I read HDM a year or two ago as an adult (or... mostly adult) and liked it, but that was mostly because as an adult I enjoyed working out what he was Doing Thar. I think as a kid I wouldn't have been that into it. I don't like his writing style overly much for the most part.

Edited at 2011-09-27 04:02 pm (UTC)
Sarah: lunaelirrina on September 27th, 2011 12:31 pm (UTC)
I remember seeing those a long time ago, and reading the books even longer ago... Your commentary is much more fun.

Matt Smith/Eleven and small children, hahahaha! He ought to have a baby-sitter warning label: Your child will probably disappear, and then possibly fall in love with this man, do not leave them with him.
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: in the face of danger_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
DEFINITELY. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. Do not trust him with children, no matter how adorable it is! Craig will be lucky if Alfie doesn't develop a crippling obsession.
Melissa: s|| sounds like penance.mylittlepwny on September 27th, 2011 01:15 pm (UTC)
That book made me cry, so bring it, Billie Piper.

JUST REMEMBER THAT YOU ASKED FOR IT

This is totally when they met, so the dating most likely started after a lot of LONG, SLOW KISSES in her trailer, which probably still serve as v. fond memories for the Mattster if you know what I mean. THEIR LOVE WAS REAL AND TRUE. and actually adorable okay kali you can laugh all you like.

ETA: you know I have gifs




Aaaaaand one of Matt HIGH FIVING Chris Evans over having had the honor of sleeping with Billie, ~for luck.


Edited at 2011-09-27 01:23 pm (UTC)
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: ell oh ell_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 04:18 pm (UTC)
We laughed pretty hard when Sally used her tears as a distraction in the first one. YEAH SALLY, HARNESS THAT INCREDIBLE POWER.

Matt and Billie dating is so hilarious to me IDK why. For a sort of... unusual...looking dude, he clearly has game. Daisy Lowe is quite pretty too.

LOL I won't lie that interview skeeved me out a bit. MATT SMITH STOP BEING SUCH A BRO. You are spending too much time with Moffat.
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sherrilina: 11/Rose (Doctor Who)sherrilina on September 27th, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
Wait, Billie and Matt Smith dated at one point?! Lol crazy....I love it! :p

Huh, I've never read the books, but I did love his other stuff, so I'm sorry to hear that....at least if it had to be a shitty adaptation there were DW alum to entertain, right?
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: just what i need_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
They did indeed! I'm not sure exactly when but I guess it was probably around when they did this.

The books aren't so near and dear to my heart that I'm offended by the bad adaptation, but it would've been nice if they were awesome, given the cast.
placebetween on September 27th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
I CLEARLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC
BUT WAIT WHAT THEY DATED???!
Kali: dw :: rose :: not really a cat person_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 03:18 pm (UTC)
Re: I CLEARLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC
ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES

I find this so hysterical. I don't know why. I guess it is because so many people ship her with David Tennant and so many people ship him with Karen Gillan and then BOOM, ROASTED

I don't really know when, I think around this time? Which I think was between DW seasons for her? And long before anyone knew who the fuck he was.

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Liz: Call Girl: Bambi bitch plzbazcat89 on September 27th, 2011 03:16 pm (UTC)
HDU POST SOMETHING LUKEWARM ABOUT THE BRILLIANCE OF PHILIP PULLMAN'S WRITING.

HOW. DARE. YOU.

and this is the first non-Who thing I've seen Matt Smith in so it was amusing to notice his actor quirks
FALSE. You saw him a Secret Diary.

(this is clearly srs bsnss)

ilu Bambelaide
Kali: sd :: 'cos my mum got shot_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2011 05:29 pm (UTC)
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY LUKEWARM ON PULLMAN THOUGH

Oh that's true. But that was not really long enough for me to notice and be amused by his quirks.

I love Bambelaide too. I'm sad they didn't make it far enough in the movies for her to blossom into a badass.

CARRYING FLAGS LIKE YEAH
SEDUCING MALE POLITICIANS LIKE YEAH
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doctahr: Rose Grindoctahr on September 28th, 2011 12:44 am (UTC)
They used to date? That's pretty awesome. :)

SL could be more BAMF in SotN too, unfortunately. And the plot was sort of confusing at times. I watched it with my 7 year old sister, though, and she seemed pretty good at following the plot. Maybe it was just me.
Kali: sd :: always one foot on the ground_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
LOL Maybe it is easier to follow Pullman's plots as a kid! I think kids have easier times following plots because they don't get caught up in plot holes or inconsistencies the way an adult might.

That's too bad. IDK, Billie definitely has it in her to make a great Sally Lockhart, so I dunno what happened in these adaptations.
doctahrdoctahr on September 28th, 2011 01:15 am (UTC)
Hmm... Where does one find "Ruby in the Smoke"? I watched SotN a while ago on some sight that was 90% in Japanese, but I can't find RitS...
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure tbh! Hannah just sent me a link.