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23 June 2011 @ 11:24 am
series 2 rewatch thoughts part 1! also more on my feelings about famous authors  
So as I think I have mentioned several times I've been rewatching RTD Who. Someone asked if I had made any posts about it, which I haven't in particular, so I decided to just make a kind of round-up post at the end of each season. But my s2 post is already huge so I'm posting the first chunk of it now, before it gets further out of hand.

New Earth: New Earth is such a fabulous episode, w/e haters gonna hate. There is some great comic acting from everyone who plays Cassandra, including the one random zombie girl ("I LOOK DISGUSTING") and Chip. Also Jackboe makes everything funnier. At one point his nurse says that he ~sings to her sometimes, "such ancient songs". Plz place bets about what he sings.

We also realized that this is essentially Ten's ideal adventure and nothing can ever top it. I MEAN:
  • He gets kissed by Rose(-ish)
  • Rose wanders around in a lowcut top and a Wonderbra
  • His lecturing gets through to Cassandra and she reforms
  • (Almost) everybody lives
  • He saves a new subspecies rather than killing one
  • He SAVES THE DAY BY HUGGING

This sets the bar so high. It is all downhill from there, buddy.

It's also probably one of Jack's best days ever tbh, I mean the Doctor ~puts a tender hand against his faceglass and is like "I'M HERE".


Tooth & Claw: This episode was less boring than I remembered it being, but maybe that is because I was paying keen attention to whether or not Ten and Rose were jerks after people started dying. CONCLUSION: THEY WERE NOT, FANDOM SITS ON A THRONE OF LIES. There is one line that is rude/inappropriate once things get serious, it is spoken by Rose, she gets immediately chastised by the Queen and apologizes and that is that. THAT IS ALL. I don't even count the "werewolf" hug because it is like nervous laughter and a relieved hug, not the "OMG WEREWOLVES LOL THIS IS THE COOLEST EVER" way it gets presented in fandom. Their flirty tomfoolery is at the start, before things go sour, and then again at the very end, when they're alone. I don't care that they are rude~ in the presence of monarchy in the beginning because lol whatever monarchy and whatever Victorian decorum.

School Reunion: Awwwww, Lis Sladen. This episode is so delightful, though I wish I could forget what a dick fandom is about it. Plus, baby's first angst! D'awww. I don't have much to say about this episode except that I love it and it is wonderful.

Girl in the Fireplace: This episode gets worse every time I see it. It went from being unmemorable to being something I actively tried to forget and watching it this time was just ugh, I have been so supersaturated in Moffat and his shenanigans that it has retroactively ruined anything I once enjoyed in his previous episodes tbqh. (Ask me about my thoughts on TEC/TDD!)

STOP WITH THE LITTLE KIDS AND THE IMAGINARY FRIENDS. Stop with the "my how you've grown", omg, he's like her creepy uncle. Mindreading is such a lazy way to establish a ~deep bond~ (also excuse u Reinette, frolicking with the Master on Gallifrey is ~private) and the clockwork robots are not intimidating because they are clockwork I mean come on, and the resolution to that problem is so lame and Reinette's dialogue is so awkwardly stilted Ye Olde Dialogue lol ~godspeed my lonely angel~. Ugh and the King is all "you know how women are" like really? WHY. WHAT IS EVEN THE POINT OF THAT LINE.

This is one of those episodes where I can't direct any of my anger at the characters themselves because it clearly belongs squarely with the writer. And like, obviously as far as the characters are concerned it never happened, so whatever. You can mentally sub in Eleven, Amy and Rory into this episode and it makes absolutely 0 difference to anything -- if anything the episode gets better -- because none of the characters feel like themselves. I could hear Karen Gillan delivering all of Rose's lines tbh.

But it is very pretty, I guess.

Rise of the Cybermen: I love Rose, as you may have noticed, but if I had to pick out episodes where Rose is at her worst it would be these ones, not School Reunion or Tooth & Claw thank you fandom. I get why she does what she does, but also omg Rose do you not remember what happened last time you hung out with your dad? Do you really think your altmom wants marriage advice from a stranger? HOW DID YOU IMAGINE THIS WOULD GO omg

Also whenever I rewatch these episodes I am forced to confront how little of this information I incorporate into any of my Pete's World fics, lololol. Whatever, police state, I am 2 lazy 4 u. At least altBritain seemed to elect a better President than realBritain has managed since Harriet Jones.

Age of Steel: Pete and Rose wandering into the Cybus factory -- bad plan, or worst plan? Omg. Also, Pete and Rose is so awkward. Poor Pete can never escape the awkawrdness of being called "Dad" by her forever and ever.

It's such a great episode for Mickey, though. I like that he gets his moment of awesome without any of it feeling unexpectedly out of character, and his goodbyes with both Ten and Rose are good. Even if Billie Piper's tears hurt my soul. And Mickey has his "The Doctor, in the TARDIS, with Rose Tyler line" that Ten totally recycles in that one deleted scene! aww.

Also Ten please wear that tux always ty. LOL @ Mickey and Jake all "oh we just found your suit and coat lying in the convenient plot point department".

Idiot's Lantern: lol tbh I had like six people talking to me when this was on so I didn't pay much attention. Ten's hair makes him look like a cockatiel. Rose looks precious and amazing and also figures stuff out before everyone else by investigating on her own because she is so useless and clingy.

As a sidenote, this Pottermore thing -- lol, stay pressed, HP fandom. If you don't want JKR to ~tell you what to think~ don't read the additional material. Hot damn.
 
 
 
demented & sad, but social: text: lol fandompapilio_luna on June 23rd, 2011 03:35 pm (UTC)
I like how this rewatch has just turned into HERE ARE THE WAYS YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING, FANDOM.

Also:
As a sidenote, this Pottermore thing -- lol, stay pressed, HP fandom. If you don't want JKR to ~tell you what to think~ don't read the additional material. Hot damn.

LOLOLOL really? You guys, just don't read any books ever and make up your own stories and do not share them with anyone. Your problem is now solved!

Edited at 2011-06-23 03:37 pm (UTC)
Kali: dw :: rose :: straight from the fridge_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 03:40 pm (UTC)
You say that like it's not a totally noble and just cause!

LOLOLOL really? You guys, just don't read any books ever and make up your own stories and do not share them with anyone. Your problem is now solved!

YA RLY, Harry Potter fandom hates nothing more than the possibility of their fanfic being invalidated. How dare JKR have thoughts or extra material about her intellectual property and how dare she decide to share it with people who might want it.

Edited at 2011-06-23 03:41 pm (UTC)
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MV: DW - Master and Lucymrv3000 on June 23rd, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
It's also probably one of Jack's best days ever tbh, I mean the Doctor ~puts a tender hand against his faceglass and is like "I'M HERE".

*SPORFLES*

also excuse u Reinette, frolicking with the Master on Gallifrey is ~private

Again. *SPORFLES*

As a sidenote, this Pottermore thing -- lol, stay pressed, HP fandom. If you don't want JKR to ~tell you what to think~ don't read the additional material. Hot damn.

Say what now?
Kali_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 04:48 pm (UTC)
Umm there's this thing called Pottermore, I don't fully understand but it's going to be some kind of interactive readalong website game thing for Harry Potter, and I guess if you do certain tasks you acn ~unlock like additional scenes and stuff? Like little drabbles or whatever that JKR has written. Harry Potter fandom hates nothing more than JKR making decisiosn about her own characters, or writing about them, or giving her thoughts on them, etc, so this is pissing some people off.
(no subject) - mrv3000 on June 23rd, 2011 04:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
renee: 10.5 surfing!rattus_aerius on June 23rd, 2011 04:13 pm (UTC)
Get out. Tooth and Claw is awesome.
Kali: dw :: rose :: i need him_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 05:08 pm (UTC)
I don't hate Tooth & Claw but it's not very high on my list either. Ten looks good though
ladysophiekitty: Doctor/Rose kiss purpleladysophiekitty on June 23rd, 2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
NINETY-NINE BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL, NINETY-NINE BOTTLES OF BEER. TAKE ONE DOWN AND PASS IT AROUND, NINETY-EIGHT BOTTLES OF BEER ON THE WALL.

idk why, but as soon as you asked about what Jack would be singing, immediately popped into my head.

omg I adore New Earth. It's such a fun and cute episode, and I crack up so hard at the CAT NUN NURSES WITH CLAWS! I have a friend watching DW for the first time and commenting to me about it on AIM, and seeing her commentary for this episode was so fun. "I HAVE CLAWS" and then she got to the ninja monks :P
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: applegrass!_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
I was imagining more like the dulcet tones of Ke$ha or something. LIRL or like 'Born This Way".

New Earth is so cute! And it is so fun w/e internet it's a great episode. CassandraRose and CassandraTen are the best.
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Let Them Talk: Ten's Pompadourbluetooth16 on June 23rd, 2011 04:49 pm (UTC)
Ten's hair makes him look like a cockatiel.

JUDGING YOU. THE POMPADOUR IS SEXY, FIERCE, AWESOME. ETC!
fauxkarenfauxkaren on June 23rd, 2011 04:55 pm (UTC)
Firstly, what is Pottermore? I've been too lazy to watch the video, but from other posts on my flists, it seems to be some sort of game thing...? idk. Maybe. Someone said something about sorting idk.

ANYWAY, your opinions, they are all very correct. I too am a fan of New Earth. IT IS HILARIOUS. I don't get the haters. It's a fun episode. Deal with it, fandom. And the hate Ros gets for her actions in School Reuinion boggles my mind. I didn't know people in fandom felt so strongly about that episode until I started to get into it with someone on Mark's blog over it.

In retrospect the thing that strikes me most about TGiTF is that yeah. This episode could easily have fit into the middle of series 5. Rose and Mickey and Ten all feel off. They're not quite themselves. And the story is not even that great. I don't understand people who list this as one of their favorite episodes.

And the Idiot's Lantern plot is so wtf and weird, BUT Rose is really fabulous in it and she and the Doctor are pretty hilariously dorky together, so it gets a pass from me.
Kali: dw :: doctordonna :: could be at a beach_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
I don't get exactly what Pottermore is but it's like some interactive website readalong thing for the first book and you get to make an account and get sorted and whatever. But the interesting part, for me at least, is that I guess you can unlock like ... extra stuff, like scenes or something she's written, like one of them that was mentioned is ~how Vernon and Petunia met~.

People are so dumb about School Reunion, I can't. It's all ROSE IS A TERRIBLE PERSON FOR BEING JEALOUS AND INSECURE AND SHE SHOULD'VE WATCHED CLASSIC WHO AND REALIZED THAT AS A COMMONER SHE COULD NEVER BE SPECIAL but it's never "actualyl Sarah Jane is raelly immature for her age as well" or "the Doctor is a dick for not talking about his friends after they leave" or "it's nice that they make up at the end" or "wow Ten and Mickey act really petty and jealous around each other as well". FUUUUUUUU.

Yeah GITF is very... idk they're basically stock figures. Rose in particular can fit the Amy role really easily. And LOL I do not understand the love for GITF at all either. Even if I imagine it's a standalone it's kind of interesting I guess but not super mindblowing, and the love story is too short for me to care.
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Opal: TIL: all smilesshinyopals on June 23rd, 2011 05:07 pm (UTC)
Hee at this post.

New Earth is actually one of my favourites for all out cute and lol lol poor Ten. SORRY BBTEN, BUT THIS IS NOT HOW YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO GO.

I approve of your GitF feelings. tbh I have been mentally subbing in Martha for a while, but with Eleven, Amy and Rory it makes way more sense.

And omg Rose going after altPete and Jackie is clearly a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE IDEA. I mean, I sympathise with her and I happily ship Jackie/altPete and tend to assume he and Rose get to the stage where they are cute together, but like... Ten is correct in this one.

And TIL is the greatest. Except for Ten's hair, which is awful.
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: no power on this earth_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
New Earth is one of my favourites for general fun and enjoyment as well. It is funny and shippy and that is basically all I need. Poor bbTen has no idea.

It makes almost complete sense with Eleven, Amy and Rory, except that calling Eleven a lonely angel is even more hilarious than calling Ten a lonely angel. Eleven ain't lonely.

lol I think that's what kills me about ROTC/AOS, Ten is actually right about everything and lol no one listens to him. Rose I know you have a lot of feelings but this is a terrible idea that can only end in pain.
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Catey: Doctor Who: Rose NE grinbeingfacetious on June 23rd, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
Waaaait wait wait. Who the hell doesn't like New Earth?
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: applegrass!_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 06:38 pm (UTC)
FOOLS.

I also heard someone describe something as "almost as bad as Turn Left" once so idk man there's no account for taste or lack thereof.
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only arceus can have a perfect blog: i have seen this face in my dreams.spud14 on June 23rd, 2011 07:03 pm (UTC)
HELLO I AM RESOBERED.

My fave part of Rise of the Cybermen is when Ten sneaks onto Pete's laptop and watches all those movies of his dad.

ps i stayed up until pottermore happened and it was awesome HANNAH FELL ASLEEP AT 4:20 I AM THE WINNER.
Kali_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 07:08 pm (UTC)
DADDY IT WOULD NEVER HAVE COME TO THIS IF YOU HAD JUST PLAYED QUIDDITCH WITH ME LIKE I WANETD

lol hannah hasn't even woken up for the day yet has she

jeeze hannah
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wander_realtaiwander_realtai on June 23rd, 2011 07:15 pm (UTC)
Was rewatching some of RTD era Who with some friends the other day too, and ended up watching Tooth and Claw (not really one of my favorites either, but fun enough), and for some reason the one thing that stood out was that the Doctor was wearing three shirts, a suit jacket, and, topping it off at the end, a coat. Yep, Five Layered Ten. Or, more precisely, Five Mismatched Layer Ten. This tickled me pink for some reason, probably because it's so him.

My attention to detail is funky sometimes.
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: never say never ever_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
OMG ikr he is wearing so many layers in Tooth & Claw, by comparison he's naked in Fear Her.
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Jeanne "dancing in the" d'Arcrose_dawson on June 23rd, 2011 07:31 pm (UTC)
I was skimming + saw "Cassandra" and then I remembered I watched that episode!!! The skin lady, I think it is the only full Ten/Rose episode I ever watched. I just remember Rose being Cassandra and lol her voice, I am sorry for people who have problems with how fun + qt Rose is tbh

I saw also an episode with the guy from those stupid Shawn of the Dead whatever movies, he was frozen and somebody's assistant, I don't remember if it was Nine or Ten who was the Doctor though. I watched Ten's Cassandra episode because I had seen Doctor Who all over the internet and stuff and I thought Rose and Ten looked like a very ~stylish couple so I like searched ROSE TEN KISS??? and then I started watching clips of them on YouTube and whatever lol
Kali: dw :: rose :: applegrass!_thirty2flavors on June 23rd, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
RoseCassandra is amazing and IA I also pity the fools who cannot appreciate Rose's flawlessnses. Billie Pipe's Cassandra voice is hilarious.

omfg the other epsiode you saw is called the Long Game and it is THE WORST I am sorry you were exposed to that tbh it is an unfair representation of s1. lol I am glad the internet got you to google Ten/Rose kiss, I am sorry you do not enjoy their awesomeness.
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Kalleah: bear wrestlerkalleah on June 24th, 2011 12:00 am (UTC)
FANDOM SITS ON A THRONE OF LIES

I think I need this icon.
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captaintish on June 24th, 2011 03:18 am (UTC)
He SAVES THE DAY BY HUGGING

LOL, I never thought of it that way.

On the plus side for GitF, we do get the Doctor inventing the banana daiquiri. :D

I loved Mickey in Age of Steel. He finally came into his own. After watching Rose (the episode), who would ever have thought?
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Kali_thirty2flavors on June 24th, 2011 05:38 pm (UTC)
I always think of s2 being kind of weak in terms of one-off stories but rewatching I've enjoyed basically everything idk. And Ten and Rose are just so flawless and wonderful!

Mickey's bit about not replacing Ricky is good except that HE TOTALLY DOES with his grandma. Omg idk I find that part so weird. TBH I find the altpeople/people-prime relationships weird. Like altPete and Jackie. They don't have the same memories! That would be so odd!

GITF is a mess but yeah I don't hold it against Ten because lol it's Moffat, it doesn't count. Even the first time I saw the episode I mentally assumed the TARDIS would take them home if they waited inside it as opposed to utside, and I think this is vague canon as confirmed in the Library episodes. BUT STILL, everything else is so terrible, and IA about the mindreading. That's not romantic! It's lazy storytelling and it's creepy that she goes into his mind without asking, he is a pretty intensely private person. Ugh Moffat. Apparently being called "lazy" is his least favourite criticism lol so I hope he is writhing in writer agony somewhere.
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