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21 November 2010 @ 01:31 pm
obligatory harry potter post I guess  

As usual the experience of actually going to see a Harry Potter movie was better than... the... movie itself. It was fun to sit in a big line and rush to get seats and have to buy tickets in advance etc.

But the movie itself? Eh... I thought it was all right, but I was not like OMG THIS IS IMMEDIATELY MY FAVOURITE OF THE MOVIES like I have seen a lot on my flist. I found it kind of boring? Maybe it is just because I recently reread the book, which had all of that but in better detail and in ways that make sense? And it's hard for me to say because I have read the books but I do always get the impression that the movies are made sort of specifically for an audience who has read the books and call fill in the blanks themselves, which I think is a bad idea even though it's probably true that most of the audience has read them. Most of the nuances of plot and characterization are lost and although I have no way of knowing I feel like what is left behind is pretty incoherent if you don't have anything else to go by. Every plot point and detail is just skimmed over, which is a necessity I suppose when there is so much to work off, and no wonder they needed two movies, but... still. It does come across as everyone making pretty impressive leaps of logic and intuition.

I loled when they were camping and Harry was all "we have to move!" and Hermione was all "Ron's too weak to apparate!" and then there was like a long montage of them walking through various landscapes. WTF did they walk across all of Britain? lololol. I also thought the bit with the Snatchers was bizarre because I could see no reason why the trio didn't run to each other and disapparate. Where were they running to? I also remembered reading something about Emma Watson, Dan Radcliffe and Rupert Grint racing each other in the forest, which was a bit hilarious.

The Harry/Hermione stuff cracked me up. Oh Steve Kloves. To be fair I guess it all made sense as a carry-over from their relationship in all the previous movies, but I still don't think that relationship reflects their relationship that's in the books. Movie Harry is a lot more emotionally competent than book Harry, for one. Book Harry's response to people being upset is usually to like... wander away and pretend not to notice, or throw a blanket over them if they're crying. lol Harry.

The 7 Potters scene was pretty funny. I didn't watch that one when it was released as a clip so it was ~all new~ and Dan Radcliffe did it pretty well I thought, especially Fleur. I also thought the scene where they break into the Ministry was done okay, and the adults they had playing the trio were pretty great at looking perplexed and horrified.

I did like a couple things a lot, though. Evanna Lynch was flawless as always. Neville's scene on the train was good although lol @ "losers" being the most PG13 thing he can say. The way they showed the protection charms working was creepy and well done. The Malfoy Manor torture scene was pretty well done too, even though I was skeptical of Emma Watson's abilities. The Bathilda Snake Scene was a lot easier to watch than to read, because reading it was so confusing and full of WTFery. I thought Dobby was really hilarious in the movie and ended up feeling kind of sad when he died, which is a step up from the indifference I felt towards Dobby in the books. (He was really annoying, okay.) And I loved the way they illustrated the Three Brothers story. When I reread DH I was struck by how much I liked that story, and that sequence was brilliantly done. Probably by favourite part.

I will say though that my friend who has read the books but not since they came out (and does not remember anything) thought it was awesome, so I dunno maybe it's just because I read DH so recently. Either way I am excited for DH2 because it's basically a non-stop action flick.
michelemiss_mishi on November 21st, 2010 07:00 pm (UTC)
I haven't read DH in like a year or two which is possibly why I absolutely loved this movie. When I go home for Thanksgiving (the real thanksgiving) I'm going to re-read it and maybe my opinions will change. Emma got acting lessons though which was wonderful.

Also I thought the dancing scene was good because even though it was part of kloves' shipper agenda because it was clearly entirely about the absence of Ron and how they're emotionally distraught without him.
Kali_thirty2flavors on November 21st, 2010 07:10 pm (UTC)
I didn't midn the dancing so much when they were goofing around, but then they sort of started cuddling and staring longingly at each other and I guess I just found it too hilarious to imagine book Harry doing it, since in the books his reaction to her emotional duress is to throw a blanket on her and call it a day. Plus I couldn't turn off the part of me that is aware of fandom and how that will go down.

Emma was better I think. When they go for drinks at Xenophilius' house there's this background shot of Emma making this "ewww" face that I found hilarious. And I get that the books are long so they can't have everything in them, but it comes at the expense of things like Ron saying he'd choose the wand, Hermione saying she'd choose the Cloak and Harry saying he'd choose the Stone, which are good character explorations etc. IDK I liked it okay but I wasn't blown away.
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Anya: harry potter (go go gryffindor)erethesunrises on November 21st, 2010 07:35 pm (UTC)
because I could see no reason why the trio didn't run to each other and disapparate.

MTE. I was very confused there. Kind of like my reaction to Ron pulling Harry out of the frozen pond and I was like, wtf you have hypothermia, Harry, stop bouncing around.

I'm glad I'm not the only who didn't cry at Dobby's death, either in the book or movie. I never viewed it as particularly sob-inducing tragic so I'm glad I'm not the only heartless fan around.

Harry is so awkward. Kind of like Dan Radcliffe. So it works, I guess? SO AWKWARD. Also, Rupert Grint owned it imo so I loved that.
Kali: hp :: let there be light_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 03:46 pm (UTC)
OMG THAT BOTHERED ME TOO. I have this pet peeve about people not acting cold when they should be cold/etc and that scene was terrible for it, they're both soaking wet with freezing water standing in the snow and they don't like... use a heating charm or anything? COME ON.

lol yeah I just don't care much about Dobby. I was sadder in the movie because movie Dobby made me laugh in that scene.

I was impressed by Rupert Grint as well. I love Dan Radcliffe, but yeah, he is sort of awkward.
per aspera ad astra: on the full moon i'm going to eat youamazonqueenkate on November 21st, 2010 07:43 pm (UTC)
I friended your journal a while back and I read most your entries without commenting, but you said something incredibly salient in this entry that I wanted to reply to. I hope you don't mind. :)

I got into Harry Potter late and, as a result, have only read the first three books cover-to-cover. I've also read half of GoF and half of OotP, but in both cases, I put them down and just ended up watching the movie instead. In both cases (so GoF and OotP), I was really familiar with the plots of the books, half from reading them in part, and half because I had friends tell me. By the time I watched HBP a couple months ago, though, I'd forgotten most of the spoilers I'd read when the book was new besides OMG DUMBLEDORE DIES and I didn't really have many friends who were still in the Potter fandom to help me through the movie.

It was nearly unwatchable.

For about the first half of the movie, I was just baffled as to what was going on. Without the book to provide any sort of context, it was confusing, piecemeal, and made next to no sense whatsoever. I'd never been so completely confused by the earlier movies, but this one -- I felt like they'd cut so much material from the original book that I couldn't follow a significant chunk of the plot. I had to Wikipedia a handful of different things after the movie because I was so confused, and that made me sad.

It's the one thing that's keeping me from rushing off to see DH when I'm on Thanksgiving break this week: I'm honestly afraid I'll come away not understanding big pieces of it because I've not read the book. At the same time, I haven't seen a HP film in the theater since the very first one (when I was still in high school, terrifyingly!) and I want the experience.

But all that said, I feel what you're saying about DH because I felt it so hard with HBP and it makes me incredibly wary. I really love the characters -- trust me, the non-reading of the books has very little to do with not loving the concept (more just not loving how JKR puts her words together) -- but I need to be able to know what's going on to love them properly.

We shall see, I suppose.

/random lurker post
Kali: dw :: eleven :: SCHOOL OF WITCHCRAFT_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
It's hard for me to gauge how coherent the plot is when I have read the books -- I think sometimes I pick up on plot holes especially because I've read the books and I know that the explanation the book offers has been glossed over or removed entirely from the movie, and I know that without that explanation things don't really make sense. (The entire Barty Crouch Jr plot in the GOF movie, for example.) But maybe the typical viewing audience just wouldn't think about it that much. They touch on most of the basic explanations in the DH movie, but they don't delve into enough detail to make it make sense, IMO, it just seems like the characters come to conclusions out of nowhere, or without wondering about them for very long. I can't compare it to the HBP movie because I barely remember anything that happened (or didn't) in the HBP movie, lol.
Dani: hp // lol spoilersdashafeather on November 21st, 2010 08:19 pm (UTC)
I do always get the impression that the movies are made sort of specifically for an audience who has read the books and call fill in the blanks themselves, which I think is a bad idea...

Yeah, ia. I saw the film today with five others - four of whom had never read the books - and there were a lot of questions afterwards (wth was Harry looking into that bit of glass and asking for help? Where'd Dobby come from? How do they know where the horcruxes are? Does Harry wanna make out with Hermione??) Luckily they waited until after the film ended to ask them, but still - I think a lot of things in the film could have been handled better when it comes to stuff like that.

And I loved the way they illustrated the Three Brothers story. When I reread DH I was struck by how much I liked that story, and that sequence was brilliantly done. Probably by favourite part.

Thiiiiiiis. God, I loved how that was done. Favourite part of the whole film.
Kali_thirty2flavors on November 23rd, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
Almost everyone I saw it with has read the books, though lots of them didn't remember the finer details. IDK it's hard to say if I just notice extra plot holes because I have read the books, or what.

Same! It was so neat.
Jeanne "dancing in the" d'Arcrose_dawson on November 21st, 2010 08:22 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen DH/am not planning to but out of the movies I have seen, Emma has only had problems in GoF and those were the fault of the writer/director/editor. I feel like everyone thought she was good up to PoA, and then GoF came out and the internet just decided that she's awful when it wasn't her fault, and she's been good otherwise. idk I don't get why everyone hates HER the most when there are FAR worse actors in the movies i.e. DanRad and Tom Felton, who usually don't have the writer/director/editor excuse, and everyone loves them.
Kali: hp :: nothing hidden in your head_thirty2flavors on November 21st, 2010 08:47 pm (UTC)
TBH I would never claim to be a good judge of acting talent, it's just not something I am very familiar with so you have to be plenty terrible for me to notice. I don't think Emma is that much worse than Dan Rad or Rupert Grint but I don't think either of them are very great, either, in my head it's just sort of this middling level of quality. It's not that i expect her/them to be terrible, but more that I don't expect to notice it as being good, either, so I did think her crying/screaming in the torture scene was realistic and noticed that.
earlgreytea68: Harry Potterearlgreytea68 on November 21st, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
I have always re-read the books shortly before seeing the movies. This is the first movie I didn't do that for, and it made a HUGE difference. I enjoyed this movie more than any of the other ones, and I really do think it was because the book wasn't fresh in my mind.
Kali_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 07:19 pm (UTC)
I didn't really do it intentionally, so much as I realized I didn't remember most of DH and I needed something to read. it does seem to have negatively impacted my opinion of the movie, though, since it seems everyone else on the internet thought it was the best thing ever and I just thought it was okay.
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Kali: hp :: loony luna lovegood_thirty2flavors on November 23rd, 2010 04:12 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I saw HBP once in theatres and that was it and can't remember anything except that the Felix Felicis scene was hysterical.

Yeah, IA, the trio's character development always suffers in the movies because...well partly because the movie trio aren't really the book trio, and partly because things don't get a chance to linger. We don't get to hear each of them say which Hallow they'd pick, there's no time spent on Ron's return and how Harry reacts, there's no "love her like a sister" bit, there's basically no exploration of Dumbledore and Harry's conflict over him... it just skims from one plot point to the next, and they all seem to come pretty easily. I mean, the books have the characters learning things by chance/good luck a lot as well, but in the movies it doesn't seem like they ever have to spend time wondering about things and... I dunno, also like they don't question things.

I love Daniel Radcliffe but I don't think he's a very good actor.
Kellysweetcherrytree on November 21st, 2010 09:51 pm (UTC)
Book Harry's response to people being upset is usually to like... wander away and pretend not to notice, or throw a blanket over them if they're crying.


and hdu hate on Dobby, he was brilliant

and yes the animation for the Three Brothers story was amazing, so gorgeous
Kellysweetcherrytree on November 21st, 2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
I was also really upset at the lack of Harry/Ron bromance, especially when Ron came back and Harry was just like 'y r u here' instead of hugging, and missing out on their conversation that really kind of...reconciled everything. Like 'She's like a sister to me, I thought you knew that' and 'No Ron, he knew you'd come back to us' etc etc, it was just kind of like HEY THX 4 SAVING ME -- Y R U HURR -- IT'S LYING, KILL IT!! -- OH HAY HERMIONE.

and everyone in my theatre laughed so hard when Ron was describing how the deluminator brought him back to them, omg. but i have to say that this movie kind of made a R/Hr shipper out of me, not that I didn't support them before but the really obvious cheesy moments that they stuck into the film just made me go AWWWWW
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Beckbeck_liz on November 21st, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
I think I'm glad I didn't follow through with my initial plan to re-read the whole series prior to the movie, because I really loved the movie.

I always found Dobby really annoying, but in the movie he made me cry! I mean, granted that some of it could just be me being extra-hormonal this weekend, among other things, but still. Also, I thought the houself CGI was way better than before.

I loved both Neville and Luna in this, even though Neville didn't get much to do what he did get was awesome. (What did he actually say in the book? Makes me wonder if they'll re-word or cut Molly's "Not my daughter, you bitch!" in Part 2.)
Kali: dw :: rose :: i love it_thirty2flavors on November 23rd, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah apparently rereading DH was my fatal error! Oh well.

I didn't cry but I was sadder for him than I was in the book, lol, I think because movie Dobby was so funny and therefore endearing, whereas I always found book Dobby so irritating.

That scene doesn't exist in the book, I just thought "losers" was a hilarious insult to throw at two Death Eaters. YOU WOUND THEM, NEVILLE.
mildlyconfusedmildlyconfused on November 21st, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
"Book Harry's response to people being upset is usually to like... wander away and pretend not to notice, or throw a blanket over them if they're crying. lol Harry."

A RON-scented blanket. We must never forget the Ron-scented bit. Oh, Harry Puddur, you dazzle me.
Antheakremlindusk on November 22nd, 2010 12:00 am (UTC)
I will say though that my friend who has read the books but not since they came out (and does not remember anything) thought it was awesome, so I dunno maybe it's just because I read DH so recently.

I think that's why I liked it. I made the mistake of first reading (and finishing) Fellowship of the Ring the day that I went to see the movie the first time, and I ended up HATING the movie. Like, hating it with all my heart, wanting it to die, etc. It took until it came out on DVD for me to give it another chance and realize lol omg wtf is wrong with me, that movie is fantastic.

So I never re-read books right before movies come out anymore, unless I don't want to enjoy the movie.

There were a lot of things that happened that I'd completely forgotten, like everything with Dobby, so they had a pretty big impact. I don't remember giving a crap at all in the books, but in the movie I was like "NOOOO DOBBY, wah."

My boyfriend hasn't read a single book and loves the movies and said he totally understood the plot just fine. He's smarter than me, I guess, because I was having trouble following along at first, even having read the book before.

I thought the Deathly Hollows animated part was definitely the best part of the movie, but I was also flailing with joy at all the dark wizard stuff at the Malfoy mansion. I love the dark wizards so much, and omg Lucius Malfoy was fierce. I love that he and Draco finally don't have to be bland stereotype villains anymore. So much love.

I thought the biggest WTFAWESOME part was that CG-rotic Harry/Hermione naked make-out session. Damn. Were they actually naked in the book? I can't remember. But that was totally wicked. I always liked Harry/Hermione (though I don't care much about ships in HP), so I enjoyed that. Overall, good movie, but I want to see the next one more.
Kali: dw :: amy :: i'm a kissogram_thirty2flavors on November 23rd, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
I generally am pretty relaxed about changes being made in the movies, a lesson learned after POA. But it wasn't like I was outraged over changes here, I just thought the movie was kind of... dull. It's basically 2 hours of build-up to the next movie, and as a result it just kind of felt like it kept going and going aimlessly. And I know the plot in the book is so complex and whatnot that it has to be shortened for brevity, but it felt like everything was just skimmed over.

I think it's hard form e to say whether it makes sense to an outside or not, because having read the books alerts me to plot holes in the movies. Like, in GOF, the whole Barty Crouch Jr thing, I'm left going "LOL WHAT BUT THEY HAVEN'T EXPLAINED ANYTHING. WHY IS HE THERE? HOW? WHY DID NO ONE NOTICE HE ESCAPED? WHY DOESN'T FUDGE GET HIM TO TESTIFY IF HE DOESN'T GET THE KISS?" etc, but I guess to the average viewing audience some of those things (like "wtf escaping Azkaban!!!") would be less obvious.

I think the book doesn't specify one way or the other with Harry and Hermione, but in a lot of the fanart they are naked. I thought they looked hilarious though, all CGI-ed. I don't care much about the ships but I thought that scene was weird. I think there is a lot more supposed H/Hr subtext in the movies than in the books that will never be addressed, lol. If the trio dynamics in the books were like they are in the movies I would find it much easier to see where people got the hypothetical love triangle from.
alice morgan: dw10 ◦ we're always so closehauteurs on November 22nd, 2010 02:43 am (UTC)
i basically can't agree enough with everything. thank you for not fangirling all over the place and making me feel shit for not adoring it as hard as i 'should have'.

but i LOVED the three brothers too (i got beedle & the bard for christmas and it's honestly the best story in there too - if you haven't read them though, i would totally read all the stories anyways). and the Bathilda snake scene was crazy, but it did make a lot more sense. and dobby, yes lol.

omgosh, this comment doesn't even make sense. so basically: YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT POTTER.
Kali: dw :: ten/rose :: it would never end_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
YANA. But yeah seriously, it feels weird to like an HP movie less than everyone else; usually I'm the one who is just like "YAY TWO HOURS OF ENTERTAINMENT" while everyone on my flist is going 'why did they cut x/y/z and why was Hermione's dress the wrong colour???"

I actually reread the Beedle stories a few months ago, before I reread DH. I just picked it up one morning ebfore I got out of bed and ended up too ~enthralled~ to put it down until I'd reread the whole thing. It's so cute and I miss JKR's writing so much. The Three Brothers story is probably the best, but all of them are pretty great, she absolutely nailed the fairytale/fable style in tone, content, morality, everything.

The Bathilda scene was creepy. A snake exploding out of someone works better on screen than in text though, because I was just SO confused when I read it the first time, I had to read it like 3 times. It was like "the snake came out of her neck" and I was like "out of her neck? what? HOW? WHAT!"
🌹: HP - Deathly Hallowsla_petite_singe on November 22nd, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
Movie Harry is a lot more emotionally competent than book Harry, for one.

*snort* True story. I noticed that in HBP when he & Hermione have that saaaad, sad staircase conversation about how it's SO HARD for Hermione to see Ron with Lavender, just like Harry can't bear to see Ginny with Dean and I'm like '...yeah, no, you are not that aware of your feelings yet, either of you; you're both all awkward and befuddled still.' Heh.

Evanna was awesome. She is so the best of the kids. She just is Luna. And personally, I mean, I don't really think of them as two separate movies so much as one movie with one LONG-ass intermission, so I can excuse my gripes with the film (well, some of 'em) by hoping stuff gets resolved and explained better in the second one. And in a weird way I like that a lot of the camping stuff was sorta tedious or whatever because it would've been really dumb and not believable if they'd had an easy time of it and just had a fun year skiving off school and finding Horcruxes with no trouble. That's one thing I adore about the series--it's magical, sure, but it's tough and not that glamorous a lot of the time. That's fun.
Kali: hp :: nothing hidden in your head_thirty2flavors on November 23rd, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
LOL yeah the cuddling in HBP was weird to me as well. Harry tries to ignore R/Hr for as long as he conceivably can. I don't really blame him, since that is awkward and would make you feel like a third wheel, but still.

Evanna is amazing as Luna, best casting of the child actors. Possibly best of the series in general. I do think part of my boredom with the movie was that it did feel like 2.5 hours of build-up for no pay-off, and even though I know why it was like that, it was still, well, dull to me. The second part shoudl be better, though.
Desperate-For-A-Shag Gileswinslets on November 22nd, 2010 03:54 am (UTC)
omg the adult actors were HILARIOUS "omg my wife is alone in the basement!"
Kali_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 03:55 am (UTC)

yeah the Ron guy was probably the best. The woman playing Hermione had amazing OH SHIT facial expressions the whole time too.

lol and Harry just walking out of Umbridge's office, staring at everyone and then leaving

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Sharon: art - androgynylatine on November 22nd, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
DITTO girl. Except for the Malfoy Manor scene, which I thought was too quickly and Bellatrix wasn't portrayed as the cruelly insane woman that she is, but more of a batshit and not so dangerous crazy woman.

I'm so excited, though, this movie has made em remember of all the Harry Potter love, fandom, and importance that the books hold in my life. Honestly. This usually happens when the movies come out (though I do agree with you that the experience > the actual movie) but with DH pt. I it was enhanced.

I am also more and more in love with JKRowling. Did you watch the interview she had with Oprah?
Kali: hp :: man's greatest treasure_thirty2flavors on November 22nd, 2010 04:57 pm (UTC)
Movie Bella has always been a different kind of crazy from Book Bella though. Most of the movie characters are different from their book counterparts tbh. I like Movie Bella though, possibly just because I love HBC.

Rereading DH and following the Mark Reads Harry Potter blog re-ignited my love which is why I was so excited for this movie to come out. It will be sad when DH2 comes out and then the franchise just slowly fades to the back of everyone's minds.

YES I DID. I love JKR so much. She is my favourite person ever. I think if I could meet anyone (living) it would be her.
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