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27 September 2010 @ 06:32 pm
30 female characters meme: "slutty" redhead edition  
And in today’s edition of the 30 Women Meme, we have two redheads whose sexual exploits enraged fandom.


GINNY WEASLEY of Harry Potter

“And Ginny, don’t call Ron a prat, you’re not the Captain of this team—“

“Well, you seemed too busy to call him a prat and I thought someone should—“

-Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince



Ginny is a character who actually benefited greatly in my eyes from fandom – not because I read so much fic that I had a whole new perspective on her character, or because I read lots of good meta, or anything like that; it was more because fandom is such a douchebag about Ginny Weasley that as a result my previously neutral-to-fair opinion of her got pushed more and more into the positive side. That’s right, fandom, every time you call her a Mary Sue, my love for her increases about 5%. The more you say “omg what a stupid slut hdshe have more than one boyfriend in her life omg~”, the more I say YEAH GINNY, GET IT GURL.

Even without that wankery, though, I do like Ginny. She’s a lot like the twins, and I loved Fred and George. I noticed her suddenly start being increasingly awesome in OOTP, even if it didn’t enrage me the way it enraged some people. Rereading the books, I think it’s fair to say that Ginny sort of developed quietly in the background while no one – at least not Harry, and therefore not the narrator – was looking. She stands up to Ron when he tries to slutshame her and she yells at capslock Harry when someone desperately needs to yell at capslock Harry. She grows up surrounded by boys and learns to hold her own. I would never argue that she is Rowling’s best character, but she is pretty cool.

And naturally fandom hates her for dating the hero.

W/e. Four for you, Ginny Weasley. You go, Ginny Weasley.


AMY POND of Doctor Who


"I'm fine. Fine! It's just... there's a whole world in here, just like you said. It's all true. I thought -- well, I started to think that maybe you were just like... a mad man with a box."


Like Ginny, Amy is by no means my favourite female character to come out of her respective canon, but I do like her. The wank over the fact that she’s a kissogram and a ~fallen woman~ was hilarious but at least short-lived, even if Skirt Wank lives on forever more. Amy is a little bit strange and maybe not so great on the one-to-one empathy thing, but she’s brave and quick on the uptake and she can get shit done on her own. She is impulsive and demanding and unabashedly flirtatious whether you like it or not. If you make her wait for twelve years she will hit you with a cricket bat.

I went looking for an Amy Pond vid but all the ones on YouTube sucked. Here is a link to one I can't embed.

Also she was one kick-ass eight-year-old.



ILU, Amelia, and your prayers to Santa. :'D
 
 
 
Opal: JE: Rose in holding cellshinyopals on September 27th, 2010 11:38 pm (UTC)
XD Irrational-hate for Ginny/Rose/Gwen/etc tends to increase my love of them too. I GUESS THIS MUST BE WHAT IT LIKE FOR YOU WHENEVER I BITCH ABOUT MOFFAT. XD

And all the complaints about Ginny being too "slutty" are always dumbass. No, fandom, we hear this because Ron spends half of his time judging his baby sister's boyfriends and because 2/3rds of the trio are completely incompetent at romance and the remaining third would rather read Hogwarts: A History, so by comparison it looks like Ginny dates a lot.

*Pets Amy* She definitely grew on me towards the end of s5.
Kali: dw :: amy :: oh noes!_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
LOL TBH YES. Well it depends what people are bitching about, I don't get very offended if it's Moffat-the-person, but when it's like "EVERYTHING MOFFAT HAS EVER WRITTEN SUCKED" I am very much like "O RLY DO YOU WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING I LOVED ABOUT S5???"

The Ginny hate was something I encountered more after I left HP fandom, since no one in my corner of fandom had a big issue with her. And of course when Mark Reads Harry Potter got to the Chest Monster Chapter, with the Ginny/Dean snog, the comments there were full of slut-shaming and "OMG HDSHE MAKE OUT WITH HER BOYFRIEND IN A PRIVATE PLACE THAT SCARLET WOMAN!!!" which... whatever, guys. Sorry Ginny has more boyfriends than you!

Weirdly I liked Amy more at the start, although I think I was back to liking her again by the time Big Bang aired. I rewatched a bit of Eleventh Hour to get the cap and quote and I still love her in that episode. It was around mid-season that as I started liking Eleven more I started liking Amy less. I hope that without the crack tomfoolery in s6 her character will be more consistent.
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Lizbazcat89 on September 27th, 2010 11:39 pm (UTC)
This post is fantastic. I approve.

And FUCK YEAH GINNY
her character development was like the set-up for a multitude of plot points; it happened when no one was looking
Kali: hp :: a short bespectacled boy_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2010 11:49 pm (UTC)
FUCK YEAH GINNY indeed. Haters gonna hate. I almost said "stay pressed", I have been reading too much ONTD.

When I reread that bit in. COS? where Ron's all "yeah Ginny usually never shuts up, she's weird around you" I was like :O PROOF
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~caittheepiccek on September 27th, 2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
so much love for both these ladies. but mostly ginny. i was so shocked when i learned that people hated ginny. I was like... BUT WHY? she is cute & funny and oh you think she's a slut. FU
Kali: hp :: loony luna lovegood_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
GINNY KISSED TOO MANY BOYS AND THEN SHE MARRIED THE HERO. THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
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Sarah: kayleeelirrina on September 27th, 2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
If you make her wait for twelve years she will hit you with a cricket bat.
Sooo, I read that as "she will hit ON you with a cricket bat" and I think it's also kind of appropriate.

Did we see baby Rory? Because I want to see more baby Amelia, and it seems like baby Rory would fit in there too. That little girl was adorable. Good job, casting people!
Kali: dw :: amy/rory :: you give me something_thirty2flavors on September 27th, 2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
LOL Amy waits until a few days have elapsed before she makes her move, unlike Mme de Pompadour.

We haven't seen baby Rory but I would looove to see baby Rory. And I agree, Caitlin Blackwood was just A+ casting all around. I mean, how much does Karen Gillan look like her in this icon? It's crazy.
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fauxkarenfauxkaren on September 27th, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
`Aw... Ginny. The thing is, I don't particularly love Ginny, but I HATE Ginny-hate. I think the hatred for her in some areas of fandom is ridiculous, so when I encounter it, I'll defend her character. So yeah, I totally get where you're coming from wrt her. I don't think she's a fabulous character or anything, but she doesn't deserve the hate that she gets.
Kali: dw :: eleven :: i wear a fez now_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:04 am (UTC)
Exactly! And my time defending her has made me fonder of her, lol. She's not my favourite, but haters gonna hate. I don't think Neville's transformation into a badass is any less sudden than Ginny's, and fandom was worshipping him for it, not condemning him. We all know it's because she sunk your ship and got the "hot" guy (lirl I can't imagine Harry as hot, he is permanently 12 in my head).
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juliet316: DW: Amy eyesjuliet316 on September 27th, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
All I can do is just shake my head at the Ginny bashing. What did the poor girl ever do the fandom to deserve that.

As for Amy, I've made no secret I'm kind of 'meh' on both her and Eleven (though I find Matt Smith adorkable), but I certainly wouldn't call Amy a slut, whore, or any other of the slut shaming names some in fandom have called her, nor would I call her a Mary Sue, as a few have called her. Karen Gillian is not the strongest actress in the world, but the writing for Amy could have been much more consistant. I look forward to seeing who Amy is now that the cracks are sealed and her life's been altered somewhat by the reboot (having parents and being able to say "I love you" to Rory for instance) in S6.
Kali: dw :: new kids :: um okay_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:06 am (UTC)
SHE MADE OUT WITH A COUPLE GUYS AND THEN MARRIED THE HERO AND SUNK THEIR SHIP. That bitch.

I do hope Amy gets more consistent characterization and more development in s6. I don't think Karen's a master thespian but I like her a lot and I think she does fine, so I think it's more a matter of material than anything else. Amy's arc was all over the map in s5 because of the cracks, so I'm hoping it'll even out now.
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aleph: loosen up a bit yeah?lacunaz on September 27th, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
GINNY WEASLEY FUCK YEAH

omg I could not believe people were actually going around slutshaming her at MRHP. It's just like DO YOU EVEN GO HERE?

Amy is nowhere near my favourite either, but I still like her. Hate on, fandom. You're just jealous because Karen Gillan has the most amazing pair of legs ever and she can work a miniskirt and you can't.
Kali: dw :: amy :: when i was a little girl_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:07 am (UTC)
RIGHT? UMMM MARK IS NOT DOWN WITH THAT TYVM. "I just don't think she should be able to go from boyfriend to boyfriend without an exaggerated mourning period like Bella Swan!!!!!!" UGH get out.

You're just jealous because Karen Gillan has the most amazing pair of legs ever and she can work a miniskirt and you can't.

Facts are true. I mean, I am pretty jealous tbh.
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Frances: DW - Amy - sunflowersgoldy_dollar on September 28th, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)
Poor Ginny Weasley. So disabused by so many angry & butthurt shippers.

Man bb Amelia is like the most adorable and precious thing. Couldn't she have had just ONE episode as the companion??

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michelemiss_mishi on September 28th, 2010 12:10 am (UTC)
I agree with both of today's picks a lot. :D ALOT LIKES YOUR PICKS.
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:13 am (UTC)
TY I HAVE IMPECCABLE TASTE
Leah: harry/ginnyprofessor_spork on September 28th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)
My fierce and everlasting love for Ginny Weasley has been well-documented, but for the record: SHE'S MY FAVORITE HARRY POTTER CHARACTER. Yeah world, I said it. As you mentioned, her development takes place "off-camera"-- but that doesn't mean it doesn't take place. And when you map her career at Hogwarts, it becomes evident what a TOTAL BADASS she is. To grow up from the little girl who trusted Tom Riddle to one of the student rebellion leaders while the Carrows terrorized the school. hgapiughaiegr my girl.

I feel like I always want to like Amy more than I do-- and I love Karen Gillan more than I could ever love Amy-- but I definitely grew more fond of her over the series. Thing is, I've known a lot of Amys. And I, like Rory, have let them walk all over me. But they're still fundamentally good. And I'm interested to see where Moffat takes her in the next series.
Kali: hp :: loony luna lovegood_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:27 am (UTC)
Poor Ginny. As the love interest, she was doomed to be hated, but the sheer vehemence people have towards her frightens me. And the slut-shaming is always something special. Oh fandom.

LOL I like Karen more than Amy too. I actually sort of... started off fonder of Amy than I wound up being, but I do like her overall, I think, just not as much as the others. I hope next season gives her more of a chance to develop.
Queen of the Castlejessicaqueen on September 28th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
Three boyfriends in three years, one of which she eventually marries, makes Ginny slutty? *looks at own string of relationships* Well shit.

My issue with Amy's skankery (YES THAT'S A WORD OK) isn't that she's a kiss-o-gram or wears skirts that barely cover the important bits or whatever. Because hey, whatever. It's not even that she tried to have sex with the Doctor when she had a fiance. It's that she just brushes her cheating off like it isn't a problem, and Rory won't even mention the cheating to her (though he's happy to have a real go at the Doctor for it), and the Doctor treats it like something that she couldn't have avoided doing because of the situation. It's just portrayed as if she's not responsible for her own actions or something. You want to cheat on your man? Fine. But you've gotta own the consequences, damn it.
juliet316: DW: TenDonna: funjuliet316 on September 28th, 2010 12:31 am (UTC)
Three boyfriends in three years, one of which she eventually marries, makes Ginny slutty? *looks at own string of relationships* Well shit.

LOLOLOLOL!

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placebetween on September 28th, 2010 12:28 am (UTC)
OBVIOUSLY I AGREE ABOUT GINNY BUT LOL I'M WATCHING THIS AMY POND FANVID AND I AM SO BEMUSED
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 12:39 am (UTC)
LOL I LOVE EXPOSING YOU TO DOCTOR WHO STUFF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

I ALMOST USED A VIDEO TO A MILEY CYRUS SONG NGL

JUST BECAUSE LOL MILEY

BUT IT WASN'T UP TO MY FANVIDEO STANDARDS
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Jeanne "dancing in the" d'Arc: I love Zuko more than I fear you.rose_dawson on September 28th, 2010 12:52 am (UTC)
hate Ginny forever can't stop won't stop

I thought she was obnoxious since GoF or whenever she started getting ~sassy but I was done with her and Molly when they were being terrible to Fleur in HBP



A few weeks ago I was like "do I hate Ginny because she is a lady, would I like her personality if she had a dick," and I think Fred and George are very similar to her, and I don't especially like them either. They're funny and their shenanigans are amusing but they are no MWPP, and I thought they acted like assholes a lot in the books. I wouldn't like her/their type irl, I don't like it in the books.
Kali: hp :: man's greatest treasure_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
I think it is true that a lot of Ginny hate stems from the fact that she is a lady, but I also think if you aren't a big fan of Fred or George, who are a lot like her, it's reasonable to not be a fan of Ginny. And she is genuinely a dick to Fleur, so that's more of an excuse than people who are like "omg that one time she said that one thing to Hermione and I HATE HER FOREVER" even though Hermione was being just as immature in that scene and it wasn't a lasting grudge or fight or w/e. And I know you don't have any ships you are still nursing butthurt over and that Harry is not your fictional boyfriend. Fred and George and Ginny all have similar senses of humour but can also be kind of assholes. I do think it's hypocritical when people love, IDK, Fred and George or, god forbid, Snape, and then say they don't like Ginny because she's a "bitch".

It's just that most people when they talk about why they don't like Ginny list the dumbest reasons, like how she had too many boyfriends and is a "slut" or how she's a "Mary Sue" or whatever.
Austin: hp lovejohnmayergirl23 on September 28th, 2010 01:54 am (UTC)
WHAT'S THAT? SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF GINNY WEASLEY BEING AWESOME.
Kali_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 02:03 am (UTC)
YOU'RE TALL AND FUN AND PRETTY
YOU'RE REALLY REALLY SKINNY
GINNY
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🌹la_petite_singe on September 28th, 2010 02:01 am (UTC)
I do think Ginny, er, gets around a bit, but shit, I like that. She's also tough and confident and it's not a 'if I put out, then boys will like me and I'll like myself' kind of freaky thing, she just...likes boys and likes getting some. And I respect that! I really admire her strength and her love for her friends & family, too, so haters can suck it. I can't say I'm all that invested in H/G, but I like them, and I unabashedly love that eventually the trio are all 'related' through marriage. Awww! OBHWF!
Kali: hp :: loony luna lovegood_thirty2flavors on September 28th, 2010 02:08 am (UTC)
lol I dunno, she has what, 2 boyfriends before she starts dating her future husband? Compared to lots of the girls I went to high school with that's practically conservative.

I never cared much about trio ships myself but I can see Harry/Ginny making sense. She's sort of feisty and funny which is the kind of thing he'd be attracted to.

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