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Community Safe Zones aka Chuck Hansen is so Done with your Hate
Hey guys,
The fandom I'm in now is Pacific Rim. I will always love BtVS, Spike, Spuffy, Spander.....I'm actually in shock at how active the fandom still is here. But PR is almost exclusively at Tumblr. Problem is Tumblr has a lot of issues with it when all someone really wants to do is just enjoy a specific fandom/character/actor and heap love on them and just gab and have a good time. LJ wasn't perfect, never was. And I've had my fair share of ups and downs in my fandom life. But Tumblr is a whole other different beast.

I'm contemplating creating some kind of community safe zone as the character I love in Pacific Rim, Chuck Hansen, can be the subject of a lot of people's ire. Tumblr allows anyone to make any post with any tag. So if you're loving on Chuck and in his "tag", you can just as easily see the "I hate Chuck Hansen" post if someone decided to "tag their hate".

LJ was great in the respect that you can have communities based around one character/ship/show. These communities could be post moderated or not, but the general idea was "if you don't like it, why are you here?" So these communities were pretty much just love ins. All the love, none of the hate. I believe even in the unmoderated communities that mods were able to boot people out and delete posts if things ever got out of hand.

Tumblr seems to not have this ability to have unmoderated posting but safe zone communities. Or at least, they aren't as easy to set up and maintain. As a Tumblr newbie, I'm still figuring the place out. I found this article to explain Tumblr communities but it sounds really complicated and not at all an easy way to get people to participate.

One Blog, Multiple Members
You can add any number of secondary blogs alongside your primary one (the Tumblr you created when you first registered on the site), and these secondary blogs can be configured as group blogs. This means you can invite other users to be admins or members of the blog with posting rights. The Ask and Submit options (accessible via each blog's settings page) can be configured on any Tumblr site to enable users to interact with the blog and submit posts, even if they aren't admins or members.


Yeeeeaaaah. That sounds like the best Tumblr option but I've read that 5 times and still don't get it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this and/or can talk to me about the differences in community management and member participation between LJ and Tumblr?

ETA: And also, do you really think it'll help? I mean, as soon as someone steps off the community and back to their dash, it's the same thing all over again.
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idiosyncratic From: idiosyncratic Date: June 17th, 2014 01:29 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the big difference with communities between Tumblr and LJ is that LJ is a controlled environment and Tumblr isn't.

On Tumblr, even if it's a community blog, people can still see it, reblog it, add their hate on reblogs, etc. The only difference between it and a solo blog is that on a community one, each 'member' of the community can post to that blog.

On LJ, the comms have mods, but every member can post at any time (as long as it's not a moderated comm) and then others can come in and comment on that post and spawn discussions. It's a lot simpler and cleaner than Tumblr in that you have the original post and all the comments in ONE place. Not scattered all over the infrastructure like with Tumblr.

And yes, on LJ, mods/maintainers absolutely can remove members, posts, and comments (as well as freezing comments threads) if the rules are broken. You can also remove posting privileges for individual members if they break the comm rules. The really good thing about LJ is that you can absolutely ban all the hatred from the comm with just a few clicks. So it's actually a much 'safer' and friendlier platform than Tumblr in that aspect.

As far going across platforms, no, it won't help on the Tumblr side. The hate will still be there. But a community here would provide a haven where everyone could discuss Chuck as they wanted without having to worry about seeing a bunch of hateful and angry reblogs or comments on their post. Of course, it could help in the sense that providing that safe haven would possibly enable the Tumblr users to handle the crap over there a little better, because they'd know they had something here. If that makes sense.
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 01:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, that totally makes sense! Thank you.

You really helped claify what I wasn't understanding about Tumblr communities. There really is no "safe" place there at all then. Hmmm.

Why in the world did fandom make this jump to Tumblr? I was away from fandom for a few years (RL crap) and I come back and it's all over there and I'm just like, "Buh! What happened?!" At first it's fine but I can see how some people who have been there from the start are just so over it.

I think at this point then, my main concern is if there would be any interest. If everyone is over at Tumblr and on their dashes, would they want to take the time to come over here to a comm to see some of the same posts and discussions simply because it was in a better format? There would have to be some kind of unique material to be a catalyst for discussion and to create a sense of community.
idiosyncratic From: idiosyncratic Date: June 17th, 2014 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be more tempted to keep Chuck 'discussion' posts here and go back to reblogging pretty pictures and other fandoms there. I mean, you can still put artwork, pictures, fan fic, etc, in LJ posts, you just can't reblog anything.

And another upside for me, is that a Chuck-centric comm here would enable me to come in and, say, discuss a really awesome Chaleigh idea I had, or meta about the Hansens, etc, without worrying that the Chuck haters would get hold of it and shred it like they're fond of doing.
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 02:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, it's really crazy that some people would be like, "Neato headcanon, let me poop all over it." But that's so true! I guess you could say Tumblr is like the Wild West and everyone has a sixshooter.

I get a sense that Chuck fans are interested in a comm off Tumblr. I don't know any other platform that most of us are on other than LJ, so it seems like it should be here. Haven't seen much mention of dreamwidth.

I think it's reaching a boiling point on tumblr where we've already lost some great people who contributed wonderfully and others are just getting tired of the surprising amount of hate and are looking for alternatives.
eurekaarcher From: eurekaarcher Date: June 17th, 2014 01:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I think an RP group I was in awhile ago used something similar for our OOC chat? It was a locked blog, by invitation only, that we could post in so only other people there could see it. Really, though, it wasn't anything more than a group chat basically. It didn't really serve as a blog. Oh, this is driftingwithchuckhanse by the way, haha.
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 01:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I know who you are, silly! *glomps* I tracked you down here when I saw you were leaving Tumblr. You're part of the reason I've been mulling this over.

I know you set up the PacRimShifters comm awhile back and didn't know if you had any insight into how hard it is to get people to post. It sounds like you literally have to "invite" everyone and that makes it a ton of work. Also, RPing, I wonder if those types of posts could be included. I know I am missing out on a lot of great "fic" cause I can't keep track of how it's all posted over there.
eurekaarcher From: eurekaarcher Date: June 17th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, *attack hugs*

The one we used to OOC post in our RP group was completely private, which had it's benefits for our use, but I could see being a problem for an actual blog. For one thing, people who weren't in that group couldn't see the posts. To avoid hate, that's great, but any original content would only be viewable by those already there.

PacRim Shifters was an unprotected sideblog. I could invite other people to post to it, but other than that, there was no difference between just a regular blog. Anyone could see the posts, anyone could reblog the posts and add whatever they wanted. Wouldn't really help the lack of hate.

In either case, everyone involved would still have to at least have a main blog. They wouldn't have to post to it, but it'd still have to exist to be part of the group blogs.
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 02:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, Jo was saying the same thing. Even communities on Tumblr are unprotected. It's anything goes. And that includes hating on posts that come from a community.

On LJ at least posts in the community, are in the community and if something gets out of hand, it can be squashed.

The more I chat about it, the more I think Chuck fans are interested.
otherbella From: otherbella Date: June 17th, 2014 02:55 am (UTC) (Link)
DEFINITELY interested.

As the others have mentioned - communities really have a nice, customizable level of privacy - ranging from totally open with anon commenting enabled to totally locked with approved membership and posting.

Generally, though, the communities I've participated in that seem to work best are the comm posts are default set to locked but membership is open, so you have to be a member to view them, but you don't have to go through an approval process to be accepted. From that point, to comment, there's a trail and you have to create a fake account for serious trolling. Again, that happens, it's easy to lock down.

I was super involved on LJ for the better part of ten years, then everyone seemed to shift to tumblr, so it'd be nice to have something to check here again. (Who knows, I might even spring for a paid account again) Fan-centric comms had independent posts for fics, art, news, etc and then a general discussion post for all the other things. Once the discussion post got to 5000 comments, a new one was created. I think the nice part about LJ is the comment threading, something that is impossible on tumblr without annoying your followers. (plus you can have comment fic and meta talks and do watch posts, ugh can you tell I miss lj comms?)

ANYHOW. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE COMMENTS, I AM IN, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WHIP UP A GRAPHIC OF SOME SORT IF YOU NEED IT LIKE YOU MENTIONED (although I know there are some amazing artists out there far better than me, I stick to the photo edits/sets, but if that's the direction you want to go, I can definitely try to get something together.)

Thanks for bringing this up. ♥
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 10:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for chatting about this with me. I'm actually surprised by the reaction my little post has made. People seem really interested in having a 'safe' zone, whatever form that may take. The consensus is definitely that some type of moderation needs to take place.

It would need to be built in a way to foster participation and have unique content as otherwise people will probably default to what we are doing now. So a little thought needs to go into this before it actually launches.

If and when it does, I will gladly take you up on your offer for some comm banners and the like, if you're willing. :)
babysquid From: babysquid Date: June 17th, 2014 02:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
SHARVIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have nothing useful to add to this discussion as i have a deep seated hatred of Tumblr- someone, a few years ago, stole a photo of me with someone and used it to post their "post secret". took several days to get it taken down because Tumblr doesn't require or provide easy access to site maintainers. had to go through Tumblr proper and prove that i am me. yuck.

but... i think you should come play at NerdLush.com ;)
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 17th, 2014 08:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Pretty much if we're hating on tumblr right now...that totally added to the discussion. I remember you telling me that and YIKES!!

Are you still active in the BtVS fandom? I saw nekid Spike and darker Spike are still going and wow, that's awesome!!

Will totally check out nerdlush, what a great name! :)
babysquid From: babysquid Date: June 18th, 2014 01:22 am (UTC) (Link)
not active... though i do occasionally read fics. i'm more in the Arrow fandom right now; though that isn't right, either. i don't think i qualify as active in ANY fandom. i think i just quietly watch from the sidelines these days. haha. but yeah, it's great to see BtVS still so active (and not evil scary like the SPN fandom)

i cannot take credit for the name. LOL. i asked Facebook, and friends named it. i just run it and post and play. :)
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 18th, 2014 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Has there been a lot of disruption over the whole Russia thing? Especially with this new Blogging Law going into effect in a few months?

Some people in the PR fandom over at Tumblr have concerns and I can't say I blame them. Can you either ease my mind or tell me to run to Dreamwidth?

It seems like the Spike fandom has just rolled with the punches.
babysquid From: babysquid Date: June 18th, 2014 05:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
and this is how out of date i am... which Russia thing? i've spent way too much time over the last few months working, finishing dissertation, and more recently packing my place to move for internship...

i am refusing to move to DW but only because i barely post here anymore... i don't see the point in taking on ANOTHER social media site when i already have my site, FB, twitter, and am trying to be better with G+
sunshines_ray From: sunshines_ray Date: June 19th, 2014 10:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Waves shyly...

Hello... Is this how you do the thing?
_sharvie_ From: _sharvie_ Date: June 21st, 2014 04:37 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Waves shyly...

LOL, yes, that's exactly how you the thing. I have no idea how you're like a genius at this already!
sunshines_ray From: sunshines_ray Date: June 26th, 2014 12:09 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Waves shyly...

YAY! I DID THE THING!

And I haz a lot of free time to explore and look around... Lol!
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