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Holy Crap

Good Torchwood. Who'd have thought?

Won't leave you with a good taste on your mouth, and isn't meant to.

I haven't posted about the Warnings Issue, but if you haven't seen or been spoiled to it, do check with someone before watching it. Just in case. It didn't push the worst of my buttons, but YMMV.

ETA: In unrelated news, a happy birthday to Te.

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lukita
Jul. 13th, 2009 11:37 am (UTC)
I don't know... On one hand, drama, or the other hand, RTD just moved to LA to work on an Americanized Torchwood. I don't think I'll be feeling too charitable towards him if he actually did break his toys so other kids in the sandbox can't play with it. Cause, OMG WTF X-Files.
__marcelo
Jul. 13th, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)
I approached CoE with both low expectations (didn't like Torchwood much) and little to no knowledge of Doctor Who or extra show information; I'm sure that modulated quite a bit my reaction to it.
lukita
Jul. 13th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
Can I pick your brain then? I was going to sit on my brother and make him watch it, I want to know how people with little to no knowledge of TW and DW feels. Does it work? Are the scenes done in a believable manner? Character development? Being completely lost on some things? On a scale of 1-10? If there's an American TW, would you watch it? I'll probably have other questions if you want to answer them? :D
__marcelo
Jul. 13th, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
I was familiar with enough Torchwood to know the premise, the characters, and their relationships, so I'm not sure my response was similar to what'd have been if I had come afresh to it. FWIW, It worked well for me.

Id give an American TW a try, although not necessarily because of CoE. I don't quite see something like that being made in the US.

Sure. Fire away :D.
lukita
Jul. 19th, 2009 05:36 am (UTC)
Cool, sorry for taking so long to reply. =D

How does CoE worked for you? Morality? What do you think of the themes of CoE?

How does the last 75mins of the story and it's resolution pans out in comparison to Day One through Four? Do you think Jack leaving in the end makes sense to the story?

What do you think of the writer's claims that CoE is a story about sacrifice? That all the characters sacrificed something in order to save the Earth?

A lot of fans accused CoE being homophobic and fridged the gay guy, does it comes off that way to you?

Shock value/dramas vs. storytelling? Does the characters comes off as intelligent with a clear goal/agenda or muddy reasoning that got hand waved so the plot can proceed?

Since CoE is pretty much treated as the event television to gain more viewers who doesn't know a thing about TW or for Americans, TW and DW; what would you expect from an American TW or S4 depending on where BBC wants to take it?

Does the ending leave you with a feeling of "I just destroyed my toys and now I'm leaving for Hollywood"?

thanks :)
__marcelo
Jul. 19th, 2009 06:17 am (UTC)
> How does CoE worked for you? Morality? What do you think of the themes of CoE?

I enjoyed it, although it wasn't as thematically tight as it could have been. The scenes of shameful behavior by the government were very powerful, and the way they set up the whole thing felt realistic. I felt the story mixed up two different problems: whether or not an exchange of innocent lives for something else is acceptable, and whether or not that exchange should be done openly and 'fairly.' The 'kids as drugs' angle was unnecessary.

> How does the last 75mins of the story and it's resolution pans out in comparison to Day One through Four? Do you think Jack leaving in the end makes sense to the story?

It was something of a cop-out, as Jack's options and constraints hadn't been part of the story before. He was just deus ex machined into a corner similar to that of the government, and I have to say, he behaved in a similar way. I mean, he lied to the kid too. He could have *asked*. Should have. Jack leaving makes sense, I think.

> What do you think of the writer's claims that CoE is a story about sacrifice? That all the characters sacrificed something in order to save the Earth?

There are sacrifices you have the right to make, and there are sacrifices you bind over an altar and carve with a knife. I saw the latter, not the former.

> A lot of fans accused CoE being homophobic and fridged the gay guy, does it comes off that way to you?

No, it didn't. It was cheap fridging (although I think it made sense --- if you are going to walk in there and defy the 456, you better have the guns to back it up, and Jack didn't), but I didn't feel it had anything to do with their sexuality. If Gwen had been dating Jack and in that room, she'd have died.

> Shock value/dramas vs. storytelling? Does the characters comes off as intelligent with a clear goal/agenda or muddy reasoning that got hand waved so the plot can proceed?

I think the story proceeded reasonably given the premise, except on Day Five with the technobabble setup for the sacrifice of the kid.

> Since CoE is pretty much treated as the event television to gain more viewers who doesn't know a thing about TW or for Americans, TW and DW; what would you expect from an American TW or S4 depending on where BBC wants to take it?

Good question. Probably no Jack, I think. And if they are going to be thematically consistent, a complete reinvention of the Torchwood organization as something much more proactive, powerful, and perhaps open.

> Does the ending leave you with a feeling of "I just destroyed my toys and now I'm leaving for Hollywood"?

Not as such. But I wasn't very invested on the status quo before, so I might not be a good gauge of that.
lukita
Jul. 13th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
TW is my fluffy crack filled series/fandom, since my last one blew up in my face spectacularly. Really don't feel like spoiling others about why I'm upset.
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