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And I wonder how are the Reavers able to operate and maintain (well, that might be too strong a word) their ships. I get that in Serenity's universe ship technology is solid enough that small ships can be used pretty much as planes today (e.g., a pilot and a mechanic, but not necessarily an entire highly-trained crew) ---Serenity itself is an example--- but doing what Wash and Kaylee do might seem to require a certain level of sanity and linguistic coordination.

I'm not saying it's not possible; I'm just saying that a Reavers-run ship would be interesting to see from the inside.

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ratcreature
Feb. 28th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
It's been a long time since I've watched the movie (or the series), but maybe they just periodically switch over to the ships of their victims? So theirs wouldn't have to last as long.
__marcelo
Feb. 28th, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but still the day-to-day operation should be difficult. I'm curious about the image of a Reaver pilot calmly plotting a trajectory, or what Reavers do during the long flights.
pyrae
Feb. 28th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
It's possible the idea of a hunt gets them all frenzied up, and they're quite different when normal folks (our only eyes) aren't around. But man, I would have loved the chance to maybe find out. =/
__marcelo
Feb. 28th, 2009 11:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it could be something like that.
derryderrydown
Feb. 28th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
My main issue with the Reavers is that they're spelled wrong.

The name's fairly obviously derived from the Reivers who operated in the Scottish borders so why not keep the original spelling, dammit?
__marcelo
Feb. 28th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
Didn't know about the Reivers. Thanks!
browngirl
Feb. 28th, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
'Reiver' looks weird to simpleminded Americans raised with the 'i before e except after c' rule.

Or, put more succinctly, simpleminded Americans.
razorsmile
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
Because no one cares. If the "reave" spelling was good enough for Spenser, it should be good enough for you.
derryderrydown
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:59 pm (UTC)
I vnethes thinke we shovd all spell as couth as Spenser.
browngirl
Feb. 28th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)
I saw a couple of fics that addressed this, basically taking the stance that crazy != incompetent. The Reavers do seem to be able to work together a little, after all.
__marcelo
Feb. 28th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
That's be interesting. I very much subscribe to crazy != incompetent (I'm a Batman fan after all :P), but I find the Reavers' kind of crazy is intriguing.
outlawpoet
Mar. 1st, 2009 12:05 am (UTC)
Assuming that we accept the premise of Reavers initially being created by pharmacological means, while simultaneously accepting the events of "Bushwhacked", this implies there are actually two types of Reavers. Original Reavers, of which there are no more being created, and converted Reavers, normal humans who take on Reaver characteristics in order to survive.

The two types of Reavers could potentially have very different behavioral characteristics, and while no interactions between the two have been observed, I think it's quite plausible that they would separate into a cowed and slave-like underclass that anticipates and enables the Primary Reavers murder-boff-cannibalize lifestyle, in order to keep from being victimized themselves.

Of course, more fascinatingly, as no more Prime Reavers are being created, the ratio of Prime to converted Reavers will only tend to increase, potentially leading to converted Reavers masquerading as Prime Reavers (depending on whether Reavers have any unusual abilities from their origin, superhuman strength or psychic abilities being difficult to fake).

In any case, this seems like a natural way for the inconsistencies of the plot and canon facts to be resolved, and also lends itself to a fairly fascinating internal dynamic to Reaver organization.
__marcelo
Mar. 1st, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
That's a very interesting idea. In an Stanislaw Lem twist, eventually there might no longer be any Prime Reavers, but with the converted and masquerading Reavers still carrying on because they don't know that.
outlawpoet
Mar. 1st, 2009 12:17 am (UTC)
given their berserker tactics, I'd be surprised if there were any left. Although I guess the Alliance hasn't actually been around that long. Was the origin in Firefly shown to be before or after the Alliance was formed? I guess the winners of the Unification War would be considered the same as the current Alliance, since they won.

Is it fair of Mal to blame the current government for actions of the government before the Unification War? Seems like it would have to be considered a different entity, but old rebels don't make distinctions like that.
mkcs
Mar. 1st, 2009 09:52 am (UTC)
That was the biggest killer for my suspension of disbelief, too. Although the government's idiotic method of handling the Reaver situation was hard to swallow, too, as I said in my LJ entry here: http://mkcs.livejournal.com/26017.html

Why on earth wouldn't a nasty-minded bureaucracy use the Reavers as an enemy to focus their newly conquered empire's minds on external problems, not internal lacks of freedom? It's not like they couldn't just bomb hell out of the planet and destroy the evidence. They could probably even have blamed the losing side in the recent war.
__marcelo
Mar. 1st, 2009 10:05 am (UTC)
I think the government sees Reavers as a frontier issue with little bearing on the most important worlds and politically relevant populations (although this is far from clear from the movie); as long as they attack minor planets of dubious political loyalty and little strategic interest, it's not really worth shining the spotlight on them (until, as you said, they need a convenient enemy --- space wars against zombies waged far away from the homeland are political gold).

Actually, I don't think there's much public dissent inside the Alliance; IIRC, pretty much everybody in the core worlds is happy and relatively prosperous with things as they are, and criminals/frontierspeople outside don't care much for politics. It might even be argued that except for their experiments with River and the PAX thing ---and what government doesn't have its little peccadilloes?--- the Alliance isn't necessarily worse than the alternative, except that we mainly get Mal and his crew's opinion on that, most of which have personal, if valid, reasons to dislike the government.
mkcs
Mar. 1st, 2009 10:08 am (UTC)
But why allow even minor unrest when you have such a fantastic enemy? Surely any unscrupulous regime should be delighted to have actual bloodthirsty zombies available to direct dissent at?

Even when there isn't a lot of dissent, any is less good than none, surely.

And if you spun it right, you could convince the Mals that it was their side that created the situation, thus causing them to lose their faith in the cause they'd fought for.
__marcelo
Mar. 1st, 2009 10:49 am (UTC)
Well, there's that, yes.

Hmm, in a different universe, Alliance elements thought like this and PAX-ed a convenient anti-Alliance world with the deliberate goal of Reaving them up.
outlawpoet
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
who says they didn't? Nobody in the movie said they were a /loyal/ world. Or that the research time video they found were people who knew everything.
__marcelo
Mar. 2nd, 2009 03:48 am (UTC)
Point, although it did look Alliance-y to me.
outlawpoet
Mar. 2nd, 2009 08:42 pm (UTC)
The rebels couldn't have all been scruffy. Someone was paying their bills. At least one nice world opposed Unification. Or some very rich space-based organization.
razorsmile
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
Don't you get it? Reavers are Orks. They yell WAAAGH! at the zoom-zoom things and they go. Painting them red (with the blood of victims) really *does* make them go faster.
__marcelo
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
Yell recognition technology?
__marcelo
Mar. 7th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
Cool. That's handy.
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