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Hoisted (for future reference/a rainy day/very mythical 'free time') from a comment to a comment by browngirl on this fantastic post by brown_betty on "rude person" stories (go read it): Kirk and Spock could be for theoretical meta-fannishness what Alice and Bob are for cryptography.

I'm just amused by the idea of somebody writing a textbook on theoretical meta-fannishness: OTk combinatorics [0], the Sexuality Undecidability Principle [1], Canonical Logic [2], the study of Mary-Sue singularities [3], etc. The "application" chapters, of course, would refer to a lot of fandoms, but I think K/S would be a nice "canonical" (heh) canon to work with.

Seriously, I would buy this.

[0] The formal study of k-people ships, for k >= 2.
[1] "It's impossible to make well-founded negative assertions about a character's sexuality based on his canonical relationships." For some fandoms[4], this principle makes slash possible. For others[5], it makes het possible.
[2] I'm almost sure there is no non-trivial model[6] of Canonical Logic that can be represented using first-order logic.
[3] For the canonical non-canonical example, cf the Marrissa Stories.
[4] E.g., James Bond.
[5] E.g., Sherlock Holmes.
[6] Anything attempting to describe a Crisis, event, crossover, or any two Silver Age stories counts as (heavily) non-trivial[7].
[7] Hawkman is, of course, considered a pathological case.
ETA: I know it's just the servers acting wonky, but it's fun to imagine that right now there's a bunch of exorcists (or Laundry operatives) fighting for their lives against the possessed LJ servers...



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Oct. 27th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
*giggles with delight* I so love how you think.
Oct. 27th, 2008 06:29 pm (UTC)
:D You gave me the idea!
Oct. 27th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
is the title original to you? I'm making a note of it, and I'd like to have the credit right. I do like twisted double quotations. My favorite being "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders.", Jeff Goll
Oct. 27th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, I just came up with it (although I had to check for the exact Whitman quote, as I didn't remember the third line).

Oct. 27th, 2008 07:37 pm (UTC)
This, yes, needs to exist.

Also, you now have my brain working on the Silver Age story algorithm, because, having read through an essential or three, I'm of the opinion that, while they don't work by *our* logic, the logic involved...isn't all that complicated, really. If I could just put my finger on it...

If I go completely nuts doing this, I'm blaming you.
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:42 am (UTC)
It could literally happen, you know? Mixing mathematics/computer science with the arcane/mythical (e.g. the Silver Age) is never done without risk :).

That said, it'd be awesome.
Oct. 27th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
I had no idea such a fan genre existed. Then it occurred to me you could totally do this with Batman and Catwoman have fightsex on a roof.
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:43 am (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
I think I feel dirty just by thinking about thinking about it, and not even in a good way.
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:48 am (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
Oh, yeah, I had that experience recently. And then I wound up writing the Stockholm Syndrome Romance, anyway. D=

But speaking of bat/cat, I'm wondering if I have enough fellow fans on my flist to get that ball rolling. Would I need to start with a paragraph long bad fic, and then do some wacky accent version? I figure it would be something like this, but in a more creative fashion:

Batman goes on patrol while being emo. Catwoman is caught by surprise and vamps him. He can't help himself. They hump each other on, um, a gargoyle. Yeah. And Catwoman escapes. Nightwing sees is and gets jealous. Then Batman goes home and broods, but Alfred makes him cookies. The end.
Oct. 28th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
I'm going to need some industrial acid to clean up my brain after this.

Frank Miller version: Hot. Dirty. Treacherous. The city writhes under me, calling for me to control her, to make her clean. One block, one beaten up piece of shit at a time. I see Catwoman under the rain. Not trying to escape, but to lure me. I join her. She, too, wants to be clean. There is nothing clean in Gotham but the blood.

I leave her in the roof. Not important tonight. The boy is watching. Let him learn what I learned on that alley where my mother bled on the pavement. Gotham is blood. Gotham is pain. Gotham is mine. I'll teach her that.

For now, I go back to my home. Let Pennyworth feed and care for the shell that is Bruce Wayne. Let him believe he exists.

Gotham knows the truth. Behind the trash. The scum. The corrupt, the dirty, the weak. She was waiting for me all these years.

I'll never leave her. I'll never let her go.

PS: I have no idea of whether this is Miller-esque or not (I've tried to avoid his writing as much as possible for the last few years), but writing this was quite a disgusting experience. Blegh.

I'm not sure I want to keep this online, actually...
Oct. 28th, 2008 04:19 am (UTC)
Re: Rude Person

Too late. I have it saved in text. Nyah nyah nyah!
Oct. 28th, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
It might not be as interesting/OTP-ish from a fannish POV, but if you want to draw a crowd to this, you should probably make it Batman/Joker :). Post-movie it seems to be what a lot of the new people are going for.
Oct. 28th, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
I couldn't draw a crowd if a rolled a penny down a hill in Poland.

More seriously, not being familiar with specific slash tropes, I should probably leave lampooning slash pairings to the slash fen. But, if I were to choose a slashy example, I would go with an omnipresent one like Bruce/Dick rather than the current trend, whatever it may be.
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
*hoses you off*
Oct. 28th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Rude Person
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cass, can you not

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