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How come he "didn't have to save" Ra's, but he did have to save the Joker? He got Gordon to derail the train, so he was as responsible for his death as he would have been for Joker's.

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petronelle
Jul. 22nd, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC)
Sekrit knowledge that Ra's wasn't going to die, perhaps whispered in his ear by Talia.

Oh, wait, no, not that.
__marcelo
Jul. 22nd, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
*beams* I like that.
outlawpoet
Jul. 22nd, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
he'd already tried to kill Ra's and failed?
__marcelo
Jul. 23rd, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
As far as I remember, he wasn't trying to kill (the guy he thought was) Ra's, but only defending himself from his attack
adn_heming
Jul. 23rd, 2008 06:46 am (UTC)
My 2 cents? It's different contexts with both men; different buttons that they've pushed for Bruce. The Joker made it clear that his goal is to make everyone like him: Batman refusing to let him die in spite of everything he's done undermines that mission, and draws the line between them (for Bruce's own sake). Ra---is the first villain who's tried to destroy Gotham---Bruce's city. Not only that, but from what I remember, he justified Bruce's parents' death, because they were aiding the survival of a corrupt city. So in that situation---Bruce didn't feel very compelled to save him.
__marcelo
Jul. 23rd, 2008 03:16 pm (UTC)
That's true, although the Joker killed Rachel, and Ra's also tried to get Bruce to kill (in the name of civilization instead of chaos, but still). Ra's and Joker are actually somewhat symmetrical as villains. Perhaps Ra's multiple roles in Bruce's pre-Batman path made a difference, but I'm not sure I get that.
onfireforhigher
Jul. 25th, 2008 01:50 am (UTC)
That bothered me too. Of course it bothered me a lot more the first time I saw Batman Begins. I nearly shouted out "Bullshit, Bruce!" in the theater.
__marcelo
Jul. 25th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
It was certainly something comics!Bruce wouldn't have done, I think.
onfireforhigher
Jul. 25th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
I see the treatment of the joker in TDK as an improvement in characterization, and prefer to pretend that Ra's Al Ghul was actually grabbed by the shirtfront and hauled out of the train with Batman. Of course, he later escaped from custody in mysterious fashion.
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