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As far as I know -and I could be wrong here- there's no reality tv show where seven clinically depressed people are taken off their meds, with the one keeping their life together the longest before going back to medication winning a big sum of money.

That surprises me, considering how much of reality tv is predicated on the overt attempt of making people entertainingly lose their shit on camera. And considering how happily would pharma companies bankroll the whole thing.

Anybody who can contact a TV producer for me?

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browncoatrebel
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:22 pm (UTC)
Dude. Put me on that show. I was told I'd never function without meds, but I felt like the meds were making me worse. I took myself off what I later found out were irresponsibly high doses of 6 different psych meds at the same time. Not only did I survive, I got better.

I have much ranting on the subject of Big Pharma and over-prescribing psych meds that for a percentage of the population make the symptoms worse. (They call it the Paradoxical Effect so as not to have to tell you, "FYI, this drug may make you attempt suicide or get otherwise MORE crazy.")

Okay. Must stop now. Chill out. And no, I don't need a sedative to do that.
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:43 pm (UTC)
Dude. I'm grateful for (some of) my meds, but I totally get what you mean re: overprescription and glossing over huge side effects and whatnot. This sanity thing is hard enough when your doctors are working with you.
browncoatrebel
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely not Tom Cruise telling anyone that mental illness doesn't exist and everyone should go off the meds, but for me, I think the meds literally would've killed me if I'd stayed on them. Life's not a picnic without them, but I've had excessive weight gain (35 lbs in a month on one!), screwed up blood sugar, suicide attempts, tremors, dementia, confusion, and tardive dyskinesia--but I never got un-depressed. You'd think that'd tell the docs something, but no. Why is it that when something is clearly not working, they think the solution is to do the same thing at higher doses? HELLO. I this drug is fucking me up at 75 mg, the solution is not to put me on 450 mg!
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
Medical malpractice stories not only sadden and anger me, they also scare the crap out of me.
browncoatrebel
Mar. 12th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
I think it just speaks to how we need to be very aware and not just blindly accept what some doctor tells us. His diploma on the wall doesn't make him smarter than me, just more educated. When I was on psych drugs, I could talk shop with the psychiatrists. Serotonin, norepinephrine, neurochemistry, med metabolism, half-lives. When I was diagnosed with my Brain Thing, the neurologist was an asshole who didn't explain anything, so I got a copy of the report and researched it myself until I understood it very well. (I enlisted the aid of some non-asshole doctors I know.) By the time I went to see the neurosurgeon two weeks later, I told him what treatment I wanted. Luckily he was not an asshole, and he laughed and said that was what he would've recommended.

There are good docs out there...it just takes some luck and intention to find them. My cardiologist, for instance, is fantastic. I wish I could clone him and make him into a GP because my GP is no longer satisfactory.

I think I've hijacked your comments section...
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
I was throwing around a half-baked idea, you are discussing important stuff. I'm (as always) grateful for your comments.
browncoatrebel
Mar. 12th, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
Well, you seem to post about things I have rants about. I'm a ranty person if you hit the right buttons. Somehow, you've discovered more of my hot-button issues than most people. It's a bit unsettling, really. :-P
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
Same here, in some respects. :)
rubynye
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
*smites your former doctors*

I admit, one of the reasons your story dismays me is selfish: when I went on meds some of the people I know cited stories like yours as reasons I shouldn't, and honestly, they were criminally wrong. I know people whom I think would be, or would have been, helped by some form of mental health treatment, who resist/resisted to terrible ends because so many other people have been horribly hurt by overprescribed and mismanaged medications. It's extraordinarily frustrating.

(Also, I'm mad for your sake, too. That just takes less text to say.)
browncoatrebel
Mar. 12th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
I disagree with the people who say EVERYONE should be off meds just because some of us get worse on them. I know far more people who've benefited from psych meds than have been harmed by them. I was active in the antipsychiatry/psychiatric survivors movement for a while, but we parted ways because I did believe that lots of people do benefit from psych meds. I just happen not to be one of them.

I do wish doctors would see psych patients as people above and beyond anything else. I am not a disorder or a drug or a number on a chart. Nor am I a guinea pig or lab rat. I'm not here for you to give pills to "just to see what happens." That's what clinical trials are for, and I'm not in one, kthxbai. I'm as much a person as any doctor.

I'm not really angry anymore, just passionate, I suppose.
rubynye
Mar. 12th, 2008 04:37 pm (UTC)
I do wish doctors would see psych patients as people above and beyond anything else.

Word to the infinite power. *nod*

I'm not really angry anymore, just passionate, I suppose.

That's a good place to arrive at.
onfireforhigher
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
I second rubynye's response.
brown_betty
Mar. 12th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
Augh! And of course, TV would pick out people on anti-psychotics, because they'd certainly lose their shit most entertainingly.
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
I smell some serious ratings here.
thete1
Mar. 12th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
*aahahahahahahaaaaagh*

I think I want to *be* on that show. My doctors fuck up so often that I'm *used* to being without my meds. I WOULD KICK SO MUCH ASS. As I wept and cursed and hated myself.
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking of the fandom that would grow around the show; I'm sure you'd get a huge fan group.
droolfangrrl
Mar. 12th, 2008 08:09 pm (UTC)
Bhahaha

You are so evil. I'm on Effexor XR so I would loose so badly. It has horrible withdrawal symptom.
__marcelo
Mar. 12th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
*winces* This is a TV show I hope nobody I know gets into...
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__marcelo
Mar. 13th, 2008 03:26 pm (UTC)
"The Biggest Loser"? What's that? It sounds awful, but I've never heard of it.
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__marcelo
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
Ugh. Ugly.
onfireforhigher
Mar. 13th, 2008 10:51 pm (UTC)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Biggest_Loser

It's a reality show where overweight people compete to lose the most weight. Like Survivor, but for the obese. It's horrible. It starts off with two teams (like Survivor) which both gives participants a sense of having a support group, and a sense of "I have to backstab my support group, and also, if I don't lose enough weight this week, they'll kick me off the show and this may be my only chance to actually work with a nutritionist on my obesity." The problem is only exacerbated when, halfway through the show, they abandon the teams and everyone is put into a single group, and everyone gets to (metaphorically) climb over each other to try to improve their (apparent) health the most, and thereby win the money. Not to mention the horrid implications of the name of the show.

The way I look at it, what's the point of losing a weight problem and gaining the whole money if you lose your soul doing it?
__marcelo
Mar. 14th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
Ugh. Almost makes my idea sound ethical.
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