shapinglight has been thinking about Angelus. Which has got me thinking about Angelus. Let’s face it, hardly a new situation!
So, Angelus… Is he a bit of a prat? Or the worst vampire ever recorded? Or what.
Now it is an undeniable fact that he comes across as a prat in The Girl in Question. The Immortal is running rings round him. But I think the simplest way to see this is as an aberration – and quite probably a magical one at that. We only have Ilona Costa Bianchi’s word for it that the Immortal didn’t use magic. So I really think we can discount this little incident (or incidents) and just look at the rest of what we know.
The thing is I think you shouldn’t judge Angelus by human terms. Because one of the most significant things about him is that his rep was entirely amongst demons, not watchers. Spike is well known to the WC – Roger Wyndham-Price knew who he was, Lydia Chalmers did her thesis on him, Giles had very little trouble finding quite a few details in his reference books. Even the SS knew perfectly well who he was. This all seems to be because Spike (and to some extent Dru, though the references seem to have very little about her beyond that she was a paramour of Spike) crashed through history on a wave of very obvious violence. Angelus, by contrast, was so little known by the WC that Giles could find no references to him at all in his normal books – he had to read the diaries of former watchers to find mention of him. In other words Angelus wasn’t notable to the WC.
Yet Angelus’s rep amongst demons is extensive – their reactions in the demon bar in Salvage demonstrates this nicely. He is not just famous but awe inspiringly famous. Even the Archduke Sebasis seemed to have some respect for him.
Now I pointed out years ago that Angelus has problems with his attention span – I wouldn’t describe it as ADD, but he definitely doesn’t have as much sticking power as Spike, so I’m pretty sure he would never have been the sort to develop schemes for world domination. Besides, that is more the Master’s style and I can well imagine Angelus refusing to have much truck with such things simply to be different from his grandsire. The business with Acathla seems to contradict this but I actually think Angelus might not have gone through with the Acathla scheme – he was as much showing off and using it as an excuse to torture Giles as anything. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have stopped the whole thing and taken Dru out for a drink if Buffy hadn’t interfered?
So I’m pretty sure Angelus wasn’t trying to run the world but he was doing something that earned him the fear and respect of the demon/evil community (including the 35 filing cabinets on him at W&H) but made sure the WC had barely heard of him. That has to give pause for thought.
I think the clue to just what he was doing lies in one of his main faults, as I see it: his arrogance. He tends to overestimate his ability to control people – he clearly thought he could control the judge, he puts enormous effort into controlling Spike yet frequently fails, he reckoned he could match up to the Beast yet didn’t really manage it. To that extent he can be a prat. But I don’t think he does this because he is always incapable of controlling people – I think he does it because most of the time he is more than capable of it. Look how well he played Giles in season 2. He is a master at twisting and manipulating – he is responsible for Dru, Penn and Spike in every sense of the word, and they all admitted he was the one who made them as they were. (Well, Dru rambled about lamb’s caught in blackberry patches, but I reckon it amounts to the same thing.) Remember how one of his ghosts described the artfulness of how he had killed and presented the bodies. Remember how he said he couldn’t take his eyes off his victims.
Angelus She is pure innocence, yet she sees what’s coming, she knows what I’m going to do to her. I’ll really have to come up to snuff for this one.
(Dear Boy)
So I think all of Angelus’s rep boils down to people and how he killed them. He was never in the business of trying for world domination, indeed he delighted in the artistry of keeping a low profile and probably took very deliberate steps to eliminate any records the WC may have gathered at one time. How else to explain that he was chased by Holtz for so long yet the normal reference books had no record of it?
I think Angelus made a big splash when he was a fledge, attracting all the attention of Holtz and torch waving mobs everywhere, then when he got just a little older something happened to make him learn to enjoy the artistry of killing and tormenting in secret – doing terrible things to select people right under the noses of the WC. He slaughtered an entire nunnery to get to Dru and he isn’t in the reference books! That tells you quite a lot about Angelus.
Angelus A real kill. A good kill. It takes pure artistry. Without that, we’re just animals.
(Fool for Love)
So where does Darla fit into all this? I know some people have decided she was the brains of the outfit. I’ve never seen anything in Darla’s personality to imply that. Indeed her own ranting against it seems to imply that she knew all to well that her own main weakness was a tendency to rely on the men in her life to do things for her. I can see her as actually fitting quite well with the traditional rolde of women – guiding and suggesting but never leading. And I can’t see her doing much in the way of planning. Darla seems to live entirely for the moment as much as Spike ever does. She’s a flirt, a tease, unbelievably self centred, but as soon as something serious comes up she goes running to the nearest suitable man (Angel when she’s pregnant, Lindsey when she was newly re-vamped, the Master at repeated intervals). The only instance we have of her doing much by herself was when she rescued Angelus from Holtz. I just can’t see any sign of Darla stirring herself to be the brains of the fanged four. I could actually far more believably see Dru in that role. Darla I believe would have made sure she was given a certain amount of respect and otherwise been quite happy to let Angelus plan the batting order.
So if you want to judge Angelus as some sort of successful businessman or war leader then no, he wasn’t anything to write home about. But as a demon – as a creature who took pleasure in hurting and killing human beings without being caught – I reckon his reputation is justifiably deserved. He wasn’t a prat, he was the worst vampire imaginable. You know – the scourge of Europe.
Angelus Eternal torment. Am I learning?
(Dear Boy)
I find it interesting, beyond what you point out, that the Council had so little on Dru when her Slayer slaughter was much easier than either of Spike's.
The Watchers seem to have known that Spike killed the Chinese slayer even though they were alone when the fight occurred. But they didn't have a link of known associates of Spike, yet the Four traveled together for a good while.
Holtz involved a lot of other people in his search for Angelus and Darla, you'd think one or two of them would have left a written record.
Angelus wasn't presented terribly consistently throughout the series (sadistic psychopath on Buffy, spoiled and lazy 'stallion' in the flashbacks, kinda-funny psychological sadist in Angel s4), but I think there's a common thread and that you're right, it's in that he focuses on details, individuals, personal suffering, instead of grand theatrics like Spike.
Which, now that I think about it, is exactly what they said in "Damage." I miss things sometimes. ;)
And I looove the idea of Dru being the brains of the outfit. Care to expand?
Do you think Angelus ever killed a slayer? I tend towards thinking that if he did, he killed everyone round her including her watcher to avoid the hunt by the next for the culprit. That could also have been the initial trigger for him and Darla (impressing the girl/sire) to get hunted by Holtz.
I tend to think of Darla as Chair of the Board. Pointing Chief Executive Angelus at the target and letting him put the hours in to truly destroy the victim, thus offering her the enjoyment of watching her darling boy at work and the vicarious and often shared (like Dru was 'during') pleasure of the slaughter. Though I could be wrong.
I tend to put the Acathlas incident down to tempory insanity caused by the suppressing soul removal letting out the fractured personality Angelus created to cope with the massive psychological trauma of the involuntary souling. One that the Angel's acscendency is dependent on the support/supressive element the soul offers him. One that Spike doesn't show as he responded to his chosen souling in a different psychological way reflecting his own circumstances and personality.
Though I must admit that some of my reluctance is due the the several fic writers I've come across who can't bear the idea that Spike beat Angel out in anything, and give Angelus a ridiculously high Slayer kill count in consequence. And honestly, it just doesn't strike me as Angel's style. I always thought that was the whole point of the mineshaft scene, to contrast Angelus and Spike's takes on killing.
Young, brash and out to prove something Angelus might have killed a slayer - but I don't think I buy it based on what we know about him - I just think it would have come up at some point. He never seems to think seeking out a slayer is something that would be a fun way to spend an evening and neither does Darla for that matter. Darla and the Master were already in Sunnydale when the slayer showed up...
::thinks::
Okay - wait - I see what you are saying - and I think that it might be likely that a slayer may have *hunted* a young Angelus and I would buy that he killed her - but I don't think he would have thrilled in it - hence the warning to Spike in the mineshaft.
And of course, I could be entirely wrong.
Angelus is difficult to figure, since the writers seem to make him whatever the plot demands--world-ending mastermind or drunken frat boy with fangs. I do wonder if his relative lack of mention in the reference books was simply due to the fact that he'd dropped out of view for a century, and was no longer considered a present menace.
I think it's worth noting that the Acathla thing was never about ruling the world, just about destroying it, and that it was very much at odds with his previously expressed (to the Master) liking for the world. It's possible the modern Angelus is just plain cracked due to overexposure to the soul.
The same dichotomy exists with Angel. On BtVS, and at times on AtS, especially in the beginning, he's got his dark cool sexy vampire mystique thang going on. Later, especially on AtS, he's often a big doofus.
The key might be point of view. The most evil guy ever appearance would make sense if you were looking at Angelus from the viewpoint of someone who could be one of his victims or a witness to his crimes. He's mysterious, threatening and unknown to them. Angel has those qualities himself on BtVS, although in a non-malignant fashion, which I believe is because he's being shown from the viewpoints of others who really don't know him that well, even Buffy.
On AtS, he starts to form closer friendships and becomes more knowable. I think we see dorky Angel when we're seeing him from his own point of view, or the point of view of friends. I think the "not such a bad guy" Angelus prat instance was from Angel's point of view, describing his past to Cordy with whom he feels less of a need to hide dorkiness. The TGiQ prat Angelus occurs when he's with Spike, who knows him well and clearly doesn't consider him a personal threat (although Angelus is far from being a fluffy kitten, as he casually twists some guy's head off).
He is both!! Angel is all things - he is a dark sexy hunk of the night thing with the capacity to commit the most atrocious of atrocities and he is also a big ole doofus with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old. I never considered Angelus as being a prat -however - in TGiQ (as you said - look at the kills) but I do think he was perhaps out of his element. Angel? BIG OLE PRAT
I'm wondering if you'd mind me putting this at my sites along with Deb's post (which I already have permission for).
Once again you've made me fall in love with Angelus!
Okay, I know it's not that simple, and I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek in my post, as I hope was evident. But I don't think him a great evil genius particularly, all the same. Vicious, undoubtedly - even the Master said so - but not big with the planning and gets bored very easily. In a way, it's funny to me that people talk about Spike having the attention span of a five-year-old when, as you say, he's much better at sticking to something than Angelus ever was.
I'm afraid I tend to think 'outside' the show when stuff like the non-mention of Angelus in the WC records comes up - by which I mean that it only never came up because it didn't suit the plot of the show that it should. And Kate Lockley found a book with loads of stuff in it about Angelus in her local occult bookstore in Somnambulist, so it seems pretty far-fetched to believe that the WC didn't have that same book, (unless they really were as stupid as they sometimes seem after all) or that he really hid his trail so well.
Re: Darla, when I said she was 'the brains' behind Angelus, I suppose I should have said that, like
I also can never see this raging hatred, or even any particular dislike, for Spike that fanon seems to think she had, so I just ignore it.
Spike varies from being quite capable of spending long periods of time concentrating on one thing if it's vital (Dru's cure springs to mind) and having the attention span of....well, my 2 year old! But Angelus always seemed able to give anything as much of his attention as he wanted.
what examples have I been blind to?