I meant DO NOT, not I DO :/ Thats what I get for typing fast.
Why should we go into hiding? Why should we? You could say that about everyone. Why cant you Pro Pammers do it privately (yes you are doing it now but you never used to) and admitting all this "Pam/Elijah supporting" is because of us a little childish. The Hate Pam comm was not my making, I hardly ever posted there, I didnt like it being public hence the reason I made a locked comm but to be honest we have just as much right to dislike her in public as you have to gush about her in public. We have never forced our opinions on anyone else or tried to make people "see the light".
Just because someone has a different opinion, or dislikes someone or something that you do, I dont see how some people can think it gives them the right to persecute. If I started a public community about "I Hate Cabbage" I dont think it would have got half the responce with cabbage lovers than Hate Pam did with Pam lovers lol.
I really dont think Rae was role playing. I think she was wanting people to believe it was Pam and Elijah, feel bad about the comm and close it.
So what if people did find out about the comm? So what. If the Pam lovers had made a support comm before us we would not have carried on like they did thats for sure.
Saying you didnt believe me is an indication of you think I am lying. I think if you dont trust anyone then you should at least keep an open mind about things rather than "I dont believe you". I have been shit on by friends in the past, its not nice at all and I certainly wouldnt pick and choose friends based on who they did or didnt like in life. I didnt say you shit on your friends either, I was just making a point. I dont shit on friends, I dont shit on anyone, I dont like or want to make enemies but they seem to decide that for me.
I also made this journal just so I could rant and get things off my chest. It wasnt intended as anything people would actually read.
Regarding Pam, I have heard she has done things. I have seen photos of her that dont paint her in a good light where Elijahs fans are concerned. I have read encounters of her from unbiased people and people who thought she was nice until they met her. I understand you may not hear everything that goes on about Pam, I dont know what you would believe or not. I listen to both sides of every story but I have to admit that the bad does outweight the good on her. What more can I say. Ive not met her, I have no intention of meeting her, I base my opinions on what I hear and read just like everyone one else who has an opinion on her that havent met her. I am no different to you.
PMSL, yes Elijah probably would laugh at us and want to bang our heads together but in all fairness we did not start the arguing nor have we ever wanted it to continue. A truce was called by djingdoodles
and we seemed to all get on after that. Forgave and forgot. Some shippers or Pam lovers cant and wont do that.
I totally agree with you that now its more us v you. That has never been our
intention and we dont do tit for tat. Like I said, I respect you for standing up for your friend and of course you trust or believe her more than me but if you dont know the full story or the story from both sides then you cant call either right or wrong. Neither is
right, neither is wrong. We have both made up our minds on one person based on what we hear or read or what we want to believe. We are the same so no one should ever get persecuted for it. No one is in the wrong.
I dont believe everything I read/hear, far from it. I question everything, even the stuff that shits on Pam/Elijah as a couple. I know people make up things and I believe very little.
Actually, Ive never seen Pam make a fool of herself when she is drunk lol So that certainly hasnt been a factor when making up my mind on her.
See, you dislike Paris. You think she has done bad things or is just a wrong person. I am not going to slate you for it but its exactly what Im getting at here. We all dislike for whatever reason and if you disliked someone I liked I wouldnt bother you with it, its your life, your decision, your opinions have nothing to do with me. Do you dislike Paris because you are jealous of her? No. Because we both know you dont have to be jealous of someone to dislike them. Im sure you would find it pretty annoying if all the Paris lovers were calling you jealous etc just because you dislike her?
If the Pam lovers wanted to defend Pam in the first place - great, but they didnt. It was about us. That I never understood. If they love Pam, if Pam is this great person then fine, put your money where your mouth is, show US why you think what you do. Peoples opinions arent there to be changed. I wouldnt dream of trying to change your opinion on Pam or Paris. You are free to think what you like, like Rae is, like we are but we dont seem to be allowed to have that right.
I apologise, you didnt say you hated me. Your lj has very colourful language though - "jealous cunts". Thats a bit harsh. I take that as an insult, Im sure you would too. I am not jealous, seriously, just like you arent jealous of Paris even though you dislike her and we all dont need to "find our own boyfriends" just because we dislike someone yes? I wasnt blaming one person. Its just the one person you are speaking of seems to have the biggest gripe with us, she doesnt let it lie, she doesnt leave us alone so I singled her out. I dont like to be told what to think or what I think is wrong as Im sure you wouldnt. We are adults, we all make our own choices in this life. I dont see why a few people should go out of their way to make other peoples opinions their business, but hey, thats just me.
I think I know who you are talking about when you say "What about the ones who start something and then when it all flares up they're no where to be seen." and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
We seem to agree on some things and not on others but that is fair enough yes? We all cant agree on everything. I see your point of view, I see the Pam lovers point of view but no one ever seems to see ours. Im just glad all this seems to have died down but again, why should anyone have to hide what they think just because a bunch of people will jump on what they say and think - that is not right.
Like you, I will defend my friends when I have to. Like when they are branded jealous, children, evil, mad, fucked up etc all because they dislike someone. Would you like to be branded that because you have valid reasons for not liking someone? Im sure you wouldnt, who would.
Anyway, take care, see you around :)