Kimya Dawson ([info]kimya_dawson_) wrote,
@ 2008-03-29 19:36:00
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short story long
Lately we have been finding hotels/motels near the venues. We get to the show place. And I either take a walk to a park or go get food with Panda while the boys unload the van and sound check. Then during their sets I can take her to the hotel to hang out until it is time for me to play. We figured out that this works nicely on days when she is a little tired or the show is crowded or the requirement of a safe baby friendly backstage isn't entirely met.


Last night she and I tried to go to the playground but it was too dark when we got there so we went to the hotel and cuddled. We got back to the venue just as Paul was finishing up and I took Panda backstage so I could make my setlist and make sure she had had enough milk. The local opener who had played before Angelo and Paul was backstage with two girls all having some beers. I figured they were friends of his and sat on the couch. But he left and the girls stayed. They didn't say one word to me. One of them took a camera out and was trying to sneak pictures of me and Panda.


I asked them who they were and why were they backstage. They told me their names and said the other guy invited them back there. (Note: If someone invites you to hang out with them backstage and they leave...you leave too...UNLESS you ask the other people there if they don't mind if you hang out)

So I told them calmly that it made me uncomfortable that they were IN MY PRIVATE SPACE trying to take pictures OF MY BABY, WITHOUT ASKING. and i asked them if they understood why that was weird. One of the girls just freaked out. She was yelling at me hat she is a huge fan and that I must not care about my fans, because I made her upset by telling her she was being disrespectful. And I just repeated (louder) that if you like and care about someone you need to show them respect. All I initially did was tell them they should have introduced themselves and asked me BEFORE they tried to take pictures (while I was whipping out my boobs). Then I probably would have let them take a picture BEFORE I asked them to give us some space.


She burst into tears and kept just screaming at me that I didn't care about her and that I didn't care about my fans. And telling me that she was mad at me and she wasn't going to watch the show. When all I was doing was doing all I could to be able to create a safe environment for my family so that I can go out and tour and play shows and meet people. I let people take pictures all the time, WHEN THEY ASK, unless I am running from one place to the next or in the middle of something.


We, as humans, need to be mutually decent to each other, and recognize that all people are still real live thinking feeling people regardless of how you know of them, what they do, or the connection you have to them through what they do. Just because you like me and see our pictures on the internet doesn't mean you can totally dehumanize me and my child, and expect me to not have an emotional and protective response.


And so I yelled back "FINE! GET OUT OF HERE! YOU ARE BEING CRAZY!" And by that point the sound guy had come to see what was going on and she was screaming at him that I had upset her. And I told him what happened and he told her that it was clear that she was in MY space and SHE upset ME and he walked them out.


The whole time her friend (the one with camera) was gesturing that she was sorry and she got was I was getting at but her buddy just couldn't even hear what I was saying.


Maybe she was drunk. I don't know.


I hope she and her friend sit down and talk about it at some point. And I do hope she is okay. Maybe she had some serious shit going on and my music helps and she wanted to talk to me but she was awkward and didn't know how. I just wish that, when I asked them who they were, we could have had a civil exchange. Instead the whole interaction was just shitty and unproductive.


I hate it when someone pushes me to the point that I freak out and get mad like that, especially around my baby. I rarely get THAT mad. It sucks when it happens. I can't stop thinking about it.


Besides this incident the tour has been amazing. I could write something good about every show, because for the most part everyone (audiences, promoters, staffs, volunteers, etc.) has been REALLY REALLY nice and fun and good and understanding. The shows have been ending around 11 so I have been sneaking off a lot to get Panda to sleep instead of hanging out all night hugging everyone. It is different for me. It's a trade off, but I love that little girl more than anything. Most people see that and let me go. Some have a harder time than others, and I feel bad too, but they let me go.


So yeah, heads up. I love you all (I hate the word "fan" by the way), but if I say I need space with Panda please just give me that and understand that soon all this Juno hubbub will die down and the shows will get smaller and it will be easier to hang out and meet everyone again, just how I like it. I am very accessible, but this tour is crazy and we need chill time.



You'll meet me someday.


And when you do, please don't scream in my face.


Please? Thanks.


We're all friends here.


Love Kimya


P.S. In case you didn't notice there was in early show added on April 4th at Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ. It will be just me and Matty Pop Chart. Be careful on your way there. I hear the streets in New Jersey are extra slippery when wet, and I would hate for any of you to go down in a blaze of glory on the way to my show. Get there safe and I'll be there for you...these five words I swear to you.


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[info]likeawoman
2008-03-29 11:46 pm UTC (link)
man, not only were you completely in the right, but you manage to take the most compassionate route in relating the whole story and did your best to turn it into a teachable moment. hopefully that girl gets her head right.

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[info]im_sooo_crazy
2008-03-29 11:51 pm UTC (link)
man, that's totally lame, that girl.
i really hope i have the money to see you .... i'm so broke i'm waiting for my income tax to come in. i'll just be happy to bounce around to good music.
and i promise when i meet you some day, i'll be super excited and more then likely just give you a hug and tell you you make me smile. and ask for a picture for documentation of meeting a super awesome lady.

be good!!!

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[info]lady
2008-03-29 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I hope she realizes what she did, I wonder if she'll ever put herself in your position. Hopefully her friend tells her what she did was pretty uncool.

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[info]soundship
2008-03-29 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, that's horrible. Unpleasant all around...sorry that happened. I've been noticing an increasing interest in celebrities' (I hate that word) children lately, which is pretty creepy in my opinion...magazines with tabloid pictures of actors' kids on the covers, etc. People need to know when to stop, when to realize that those things don't belong to them.

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[info]snuh
2008-03-30 12:00 am UTC (link)
Anything to do with "stage" is providence to the performers. Unless a person has been invited by a performer, they have no business being there. I can't think of many artists that are as inclusive as you, so don't sweat the paces you were put through.

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[info]pullouttheknife
2008-03-30 12:00 am UTC (link)
Kimya you and panda don't deserve any of that.
Those girls were way out of line.
The crazy one probably knows it, but didn't want to say it.
I hope the rest of your tour goes well and I can't wait to see you in Cleveland at the grog shop.

<3

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[info]x3hailofbullets
2008-03-30 12:07 am UTC (link)
My friend and I our sitting hear expressing our anger about how disrespectful that girl was to you and Panda.
No one deserves to have their personal space invaded in such a way by someone who says they are a "fan."
We love you. and the streets of Jersey are just fine. dont worry. we're cute here in new jersey. and we love baby saftey.
:)

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[info]tinyfolk
2008-03-30 12:32 am UTC (link)
I think people forget that famous people would probably be nice if you talked to them like they were normal.

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[info]avernath
2008-03-30 12:32 am UTC (link)
ms. kimya, scene kids are crazy. i know. it sucks.

guess that they never listened to mr. t teach about respect.

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[info]abedheadbeauty
2008-03-30 12:41 am UTC (link)
...
isn't it common courtesy to ask someone before you take a picture of them?
especially when they have kids with them?
hopefully the girl got over it and realized that...

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[info]its_his_factory
2008-03-30 12:43 am UTC (link)
You just described the exact situation I had recently pondered.

I didn't know who you were until I saw you on Tuesday night at Shake A Leg in Miami (which, coincidentally, I am volunteering at tomorrow for the first time, in part due to you) and I wondered that it must be difficult to have that level of intimacy with your fans, as inevitably you would get some selfish people mixed in there.

Nothing wrong with selfish people, they just need to have their eyes opened a little. Still very unfortunate that an encounter like that had to happen in front of your kid.

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[info]laurengouin
2008-03-30 12:54 am UTC (link)
im all about whipping out the boob to feed my son, but if someone started taking pictures, i would feel very awkward. people who dont have children just dont realize that your family always comes first. even over "fans".

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(no subject) - [info]geeveecatullus, 2008-03-30 02:18 am UTC

[info]talklikelovers
2008-03-30 01:25 am UTC (link)
It doesn't sound like she was acting very rational at all.
I can't think of anyone that cares about their fan-friends as much as you do.
I think you handled it the best you could, and very respectfully.

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[info]lingeringxsoul
2008-03-30 01:26 am UTC (link)
eep. i hope she learned.

i feel awkward around people i really admire--like at your cd release party for remember that i love you, you were standing right there and i couldn't even say hi because i am shy. but i definitely wouldn't take a picture of you and panda without asking. if anything, i would not take a picture because i was too shy to ask. hopefully, next time i see you i will be able to say something!

my totally not shy friend janine ran into you/angelo/panda at the food co-op and talked to you, so that's neat, but another thing i wouldn't be sure about. when i see musicians/actors/authors i like doing "normal" stuff like grocery shopping, i feel like that's their personal time and i shouldn't invade, but always wonder whether or not they'd really mind. i don't know what the etiquette is?

also, i've been backstage before and not known what to do. i won this contest to go backstage with a band i liked, once, and everyone else there was friend or family of the band, and they didn't really know why i was there. then, i had no idea when i was supposed to leave.

someone should publish a guide about how to behave backstage, or when you see someone you admire grocery shopping, or whatever. it would totally help me and the other awkward people of the world.

also, ♥ ♥ ♥ for you all!! i hope your tour continues to go super well, and you don't run into more crazies!

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[info]moon_beam
2008-03-30 01:32 am UTC (link)
yeah, you're right. maybe she was just awkward, and didnt know how to react to the situation and just blew up? i try to give most people the benefit of the doubt and hope that it is not just them being jerks.

i know it's a bad example, but i work in the photo of lab of a pharmacy and over the years i've gotten some really downright rude/irate/verbally abusive customers. i always just feel sorry for them... to give me (a complete stranger) a hard time, they must have some really shitty things going on in their lives.

it's a sucky situation for sure. i hope she realizes it's disrespectful to take photos of people (and their kids) without permission.

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[info]nathew
2008-03-30 01:46 am UTC (link)
wow, and i thought I'VE been a bad fan to some of my favorite bands.

sometimes i get the urge to want to be best friends with my favorite artists, but i at least would ask before taking pictures lest i become some paparazzi-like stalker.

i'm sure she meant well, but you definitely did not cross a line by telling her off. i'd be scared too if i had a young child and people were taking pictures of him or her.

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[info]i_coyolxauhqui
2008-03-30 01:53 am UTC (link)
I was at your show in Tallahassee and I was soooooo scared to go up to you and talk to you because you are super-cool and amazing. And then you said on stage that a bunch of people had tried to talk to you and that you wished you could hug everyone, and that made me really happy. I ended up not talking to you but I really loved the music you played, ESPECIALLY the abc's song and me and my friend had been there with her baby and we all had a super amazing time, and thank you.

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[info]mokatiki
2008-03-30 02:19 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry you had to go through that!
Some people think that just as you've let the rest of the world have a glimps of your life that they are entiteld to every moment. I really hope she learned something that night, or the next time it may not end as it did.

I can't wait to see you when your over in the uk in london. I'd love to talk to you when your here but will not be offended with a quick 'Please go away not you mad lady!'

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[info]misanthropette
2008-03-30 02:51 am UTC (link)
at the orlando show ange and panda we're standing next to my friend and me and i wanted to take a pic of panda cuz she was just so cute and then i thought:

o wait. i know kimya must be cool with pics cuz she's a performer but what if she's not cool with me taking pics of her kid??

so i didnt.

idk this whole post just reminded me of that.

<3

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[info]seafeatures
2008-03-30 04:12 am UTC (link)
I'm so sorry this happened to you, Kimya.

Ugh, it's really awful and just ugh.

Some people are so tightly wound and the slightest thing sets them off. I'm sorry your privacy was invaded and I'm also really sorry that the girl is either an extreme nutso or else kicking herself for making such a scene and being a bitch. ARGH. It makes me crazy. It's like when I was talking to Paul at the merch table and everything I said made me sound like an asshole and I was like, "Shut up, brain, shut up!"

Only Paul wasn't breastfeeding the cutest baby alive and I wasn't screaming. I was just being an idiot who was... idiotic.

So, I'm sorry this happened to you. I'm sending you mental hugs to share with everyone close to you.

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[info]_tonguetied
2008-03-30 04:37 am UTC (link)
hmm that girl sounds silly. she probably just felt really stupid. when someone is doing something foolish and then is asked in a civil, kind manner to stop, i think they often feel just awkward. which turns into feeling stupid. which turns into anger. i remember this kathleen hanna wordcore piece where she says when shes mad she cries and when shes sad she gets angry...something along those lines. feelings get messed up on the way out. i think its amazing that its even something yr thinking about quite a while after the exchange. shows you really doooooo care.
i hate that i am writing you some long comment like i know you, like most of yr fans do, cuz i dont, know you really that is. although we did play a show together once and dance together but i think i probably say that everytime i leave you a comment.
im desperately trying to convince myself to come to webster hall on the 6th since i work at 430 in the morning the next day, im having hard time. i have freeee tickets too. dang.
maybe see ya there,but probably not, cuz even if i do come, the venue is so giant. wah.

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[info]velvetpanda
2008-03-30 04:40 am UTC (link)
people need to learn that just because they own your CDs, it does not mean they own you. or your family.

i'm sorry that this happened to you. i will try to control the crazy girls so you have a good time in lawrence!

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[info]cantmakemetalk
2008-03-30 04:49 am UTC (link)
Reading this made me cry, and I'm not really sure why. That sounds really scary and ridiculous, and I hope that girl realizes what an ass she's made of herself.
You're the last person that deserves anything to happen to them, and I hope you and Panda are okay. Sounds like you stayed classy and handled it rationally.

One of the times I saw you I asked Ange if I could take Panda and his photo, but he said Panda was cranky, and that was perfectly okay with me. You are a person, and there are definite lines that should never be crossed. Labeling yourself as a "fan" does not excuse your acting like a creeper.

Oh well :(
I'm looking forward to seeing you in Durham tomorrow. Again, I hope you two are okie dokie.

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[info]mori_de_risa
2008-03-30 04:53 am UTC (link)
oh, kimya, i totally empathize! i was just working at a cupcakery for the past year and people would come in all the time and just take photos of us bakers while we were working. some would point to their camera and smile as a way of asking permission, and to those i would always be compliant with. but the people who would startle me with their flash in my eyes while i'm mixing batter i would get quietly upset with inside. they were customers so i felt bad saying anything, but it made me feel like such a zoo animal!

i'm really happy you said something to her. i'm terribly sorry you had to deal with this.

have a great and safe rest of your tour!

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[info]bre_anachronism
2008-03-30 05:37 am UTC (link)
Geez...they're lucky you're level headed.

Bjork would've yanked their fucking hair out.

-Brianne

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