Kelvin

_tribal @ 2003-08-17T13:28:00

2003-08-17T03:28:36Z

a new place for new ideas- triballiving

_tribal @ 2003-03-24T14:03:00

2003-03-24T04:02:40Z

_tribal is on hiatus because of personal illness. thank you for following, i will be back one day.

_tribal @ 2003-03-06T03:23:00

2003-03-05T17:42:07Z

"What I mean is, we can't go back and start over. We cant go back to living the way we lived before we became Takers."

"But what do you mean by that Julie? Do you mean that you can't go back to living in a way that works for people?"

"No. I guess I mean we can't go back to being hunter-gatherers."

"Of course you can't. Have you ever heard me make such a proposal ? Have you heard me make even the slightest beginning of the slightest hint of such a proposal ?"

"No."

"And you never will. A dozen planets this size couldn't accommodate the six billion of you as hunter-gatherers. The idea is complete absurd."

"Then what?"

Perhaps this is jumping ahead a little bit, but we're running out of time here, and I have something to ask of you. Something that is distinctly and only yours to give.

Of course, what i want from you are your ideas. I want to hear what you know, what you don't know, what you're afraid to know; what you fear to say. I want all of your words no matter how inconsequential they may feel, because nothing in this world is without meaning.

Dont' be shy and don't be afraid; we've all the same goals here. We're all trying to dave the world, aren't we ?

_tribal @ 2003-02-17T13:43:00

2003-02-17T03:57:47Z

Engineers can't afford to fail as consistently as politicians and bureaucrats, so the prefer accedence to resistance (as do i). For example, they know that no structure can be made rigid enough to resist an earthquake. So, rather than defy the earthquakes power by building rigid structures, they accede to it by building flexible ones.

Rather than defying this society that exists as it does, an example of a vision that will destroy us all; we can otherwise devise differences in how people approach daily problems, methods that do not operate in contrary to the laws of life. We can, and we must; and perhaps this is the only way we will be able to.

_tribal @ 2003-02-10T17:06:00

2003-02-10T07:06:05Z

"Your task is not to reach back but to reach forward."

"But to what ? We can't just walk away from our civilization the way the Hohokam did."

"That's certainly true. The Hohokam had another way of life waiting for them, but you must be inventive -- if it's worthwhile to you. If you care to survive."

So, what are the new ideas that you have heard of, those that are not the traditional Taker methods, not those conforming to the traditional vision of the world. Any of you, I want to hear what you have to say. It's participation that will save us; so which of you will speak up first ?

papilleau ?

belisariuss ?

gollumgollum ?

loreely ?

Which of you has that one idea that we all must know ?

_tribal @ 2003-02-05T17:28:00

2003-02-05T07:33:30Z

Tribal life is not perfect, idyllic, noble, or wonderful, but wherever it's found intact, it's found to be working well - as well as the life of lizards, raccoons, geese, or beetles - with the result that the members of the tribe are not generally enraged, rebellious, desperate, stressed out borderline psychotics being torn apart by crime, hatred, and violence.

I'm sorry for the delay in posting, and i'm afraid you'll recieve no thoughts from me today; i'm feeling very sickly and even this is an extreme effort. Still, life goes on, and the world waits for no man so i can not wait for the world to fix itself.

_tribal @ 2003-02-01T14:04:00

2003-02-01T04:08:58Z

Natural selection is a process that seperates the workable from the unworkable, not the perfect from the imperfect. Nothing evolution brings forth is perfect, it's just damnably hard to improve on.

This is tying in to a point I am trying to make but i cannot say. Broadly, it is not a matter of creating a utopia of our world, rather of building a model of living that will sustainably and undeniably work for us for as long as we are members of the community of life.

_tribal @ 2003-01-31T16:01:00

2003-01-31T06:08:17Z

"I'm telling you this because the people of your culture are in much the same situation. Like the people of Nazi Germany, they are the captives of a story."

"I know of no such story."

"You mean you've never heard of it ?"

"That's right."

Ishmael nodded. "That's because there's no need to hear of it. There's no need to name it or discuss it. Every one of you knows it by heart by the time you're six or seven. Black and white, male and female, rich and poor, Christian and Jew, American and Russian, Norwegian or Chinese, you all hear it. And you hear it incessantly, because every medium of propaganda, every medium of education pours it out incessantly. And, hearing it incessantly, you don't listen to it. There's no need to listen to it. It's always there humming away in the background, so there's no need to attend to it at all."

So, can you tell me what the story is ?

_tribal @ 2003-01-30T17:51:00

2003-01-30T07:57:53Z

"Among the people of your culture, which want to destroy the world ?"

"As far as i know, no one specifically wants to destroy the world."

"And yet you do destroy it, each of you. Each of you contributes daily to the destruction of the world. Why don't you stop ?"

I shrugged. "Frankly, we don't know how."

"You're captives of a civilizational system that more or less compels you to go on destroying the world in order to live."

What were your contributions to the destruction of the world today ? Manufactured plastic food packaging, mass produced foodstuffs, coal burnt electricity for your lights, heating, cooling, coffee maker, stereo, computer; domesticated pets fed, gardens watered, carpets vacuumed, cars driven, elevators up numberless stories, clothes for summer bought from your nearest factory outlet ... really, i could ask endless questions here, but that would be rather defeating, and it could convince you to believe that there is no hope left.

Instead, i want you to tell me what you did yo save the world today; because there is still time, and there is still hope held for our survival, deserved hope; and we can still live in accordance to the laws of life, and we can still save ourselves from our self imposed captivity.

_tribal @ 2003-01-30T12:40:00

2003-01-30T02:57:51Z

Given an expanding food supply, any population will expand. This is true of any species, including the human.

This is proven. Every species in the community of life is subject this this law, and also to it's inversion; given a declining food supply, every population will decrease, no matter what other circumstances that exist in the situation. It doesn't matter if fertility rates are falling in the human species, our population will continue to rise as long as our food supply also continues to rise.

If you doubt, proclaiming that this just can't possibly be true, all i ask for you to do is check the figures.

Are there more of us today then there were yesterday ? Yes, there are.

Are there more people alive today then there were last month ? Of course the answer is yes. Millions are born everyday, and our population keeps rising and rising.

It's not a matter of contraception to lead to falling birth rates. It's not a matter of abstinence, because although if people did stop having sex then babies wouldn't be born, a simple fact is that people will have sex, and they will have sex because they always have had sex, because that's how they ensure the survival of the species, and their genes, and they can ensure their survival because there is a sufficient food supply to encourage this.

No food, no population growth.

No food, a population decline.

But if there is an expanding availability of the food supply, there will always be a very apparent, easily discernible population growth. Sustainable population growth. Rampant population growth, no matter what our appointed moral elders may be saying otherwise.

We are not exempt from the laws of the community of life.

_tribal @ 2003-01-29T15:10:00

2003-01-29T05:10:29Z

Always keep in mind that there is no one right way to live. There never has been and never will be.

This seems a rather incorrect statement, doesn't it ? Of course there's one right way to live - we're living it now, as it has been told to us by the gods. Ours is the only way to live, right ?

Why is this the opinion held by so many people ?
Why is this truth so utterly complete and unopen to discussion ?

Why are we in fact living so contrary to the natural laws to the world, if ours is the only and one right way to live ? If living this way is so right, why are we destroying the planet; why will earth soon become uninhabitable to the human species ?

_tribal @ 2003-01-28T19:13:00

2003-01-28T09:10:56Z

Even after we've acknowledged that programs don't work and never have worked, however, it still somehow seems natural to ask, "If not programs, then what ?"

I'd like to recast the question this way: "If programs don't work, then what does work ?" In fact, i have an even better way of asking the question: "What works so well the programs are superfluous ? What works so well that it never occurs to anyone to create programs to make it work ?"

The answer to these questions is: vision.

Our journey begins.

_tribal @ 2003-01-28T17:12:00

2003-01-28T07:11:20Z

This is the word of B, Jared: If the world is saved, it will not be saved by the people with the old vision and new programs.

And so, welcome to Tribal.