25 June 2012 @ 12:52 am
thank god they recast reese witherspoon  
I saw Brave tonight. Most of this is copy/pasted because I left a huge TL;DR comment on poor erethesunrises' journal.

The animation of course was gorgeous, especially Merida's hair. As someone with curly hair I particularly appreciated the way they animated Merida's wet hair -- IDK it is just very right for how wet curly hair looks so well done, Pixar.

I don't think it was Pixar's best nor Pixar's most original, but I think it was ultimately a really solid movie and I agree with a review I just read that said "its biggest weakness will be the fact that it is a story about women and relationships between women, and unfortunately it was made in a time when those stories are not valued as highly as those of men". I'm trying to think of another mother/daughter Disney movie and I honestly can't, though someone correct me if I'm wrong. To an extent we have mother/daughter in Tangled, but that's of course a very negative portrayal of an abusive relationship that is not redeemed in the end.

In terms of the basics of "parental conflict is resolved" I think the story was very basic, yeah. But I think being mother/daughter made a difference, and I did think the characters -- or at least Merida, Elinor and Fergus -- were richly established and that made all the difference. I mean, you KNOW "mend the bond broke by pride" or whatever is just going to mean 'Merida and Elinor kiss and make up', but I didn't think knowing that was coming took away from the story at all.

I had also been concerned that Elinor might come out too much like a villain, based on trailers, but in the movie I thought they did a very good job of portraying both Merida and Elinor fairly. I did love that scene where Merida tears the tapestry so Elinor burns her bow, but then plucks it out of the fire and cries. I thought it was powerful.

I thought the scene in the witch's house was a bit strange, could probably have been done better. It seemed brushed aside in order to get from A to B, though, and I can't say I mind because the movie really picks up after that.

I thought also that the climax really delivered -- as soon as we met the other bear I thought "okay, so Mama Bear is gonna come save Merida, right?" and when it didn't happen I was disappointed, but it was absolutely worth it for that scene in the climax. Merida fighting her dad and then bear!Elinor breaking free to save Merida was excellent and just idk very emotional, I thought. And so was the scene where Merida breaks down and apologizes.

My main criticism is that I think it lacked the clever humour that has become Pixar's trademark. One of the reasons so many Disney-Pixar movies appeal to ~all ages~ is that they manage to tap into a humour that appeals both to kids and to adults, and by that I don't mean the subtle sex jokes but just the cleverer things that kids won't have the context to recognize. Like, I don't know, the way Eve solves a Rubix cube in Wall-E. Brave didn't have as much humour and most of the humour it did have was more slapstick-y or bawdy -- the guys are naked, the guys flash each other, Fergus pinching Elinor's butt, Fergus knocks over the table, etc. None of that stuff bothered me except that it wasn't balanced out with an equal amount of "smarter" humour, which overall means the movie isn't likely to be one adults describe as "funny".

TL;DR I don't think the story was spectacularly original (and there's some discussion to be had there when you compare it to male-driven films like Up or Wall-E which are incredibly original, storywise) but I did think it was a very solid story, beautifully animated, and the bonus of it being about mothers and daughters gives it a thumbs up from me.

PS: It's interesting that the Pixar short in front of this mother-daughter movie was all about father-son relationships across generations. I literally just made that connection as someone reblogged a La Luna gif on Tumblr, and now I'm not sure what to make of it. Hmmmmmmm. (As for La Luna itself -- very pretty, but not my favourite.)
 
 
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Anya: disney → braveerethesunrises on June 25th, 2012 06:04 am (UTC)
I'm thinking I'll just reply to your comment on my post (which I really appreciate, actually!) but blah blah blah here to say your thoughts are always golden, etc etc.

I do want to say on the note of humor, because my friends and I all found it really funny (although I'm starting to think maybe that was also a context thing, you laugh more with your friends and stuff), I really appreciated the humorous moments between Fergus and Elinor because of the positive representation of a marriage it gave and also, well, it's no secret I stan Fergus (he had me in stitches with everything he did/said/was done to him). But I did see a review that said kids will love this movie a lot more than the adults whereas usually with Pixar there's an even balance for both. Still, I enjoyed myself immensely.

On the note of reviews, one stuck with me with a line that said: "Saying that Brave is entertaining but not astonishing is pretty much admitting your straight-A student got a B."

Can I say I love Mrs. Darling and Wendy's relationship in Peter Pan? Also Tiana and her mother, though neither of these relationships are at the forefront of their movies which is your point, I get, but I just had to think of other mother/daughter relationships for my own sanity. XD

Also, I never made the connection with La Luna! WHAT DOES IT MEAN.
Kali: act :: hrh catherine tate_thirty2flavors on June 25th, 2012 07:35 pm (UTC)
I didn't the humour was terrible or anything, I just didn't think it had that sort of double-level thing going on that so many Pixar movies do and that I think is a big cornerstone of their success with an adult market. I did like Fergus and Elinor together, and I appreciated what they did with Elinor as queen. I spent a good portion of the movie wondering if Elinor had been queen and married Fergus or if he was king and took her as his queen or what, because everyone does give Elinor a level of respect that I really liked, and she was definitely the more competent political leader. (They also implied that Merida inherits the throne as the eldest child, despite having younger brothers, which was nice.)

Yeah I think this is the kind of movie where the Pixar title might drag it down a bit, if only because everyone's expectations for Pixar movies are SO high. Which isn't really fair I guess, the bar is set very high. But I did think it was very good.

I can't decide how I feel about that connection with La Luna! The shorts aren't usually very connected, are they? I'm trying to think. Was the cloud one before Up? The Toy Story 3 one was those blobs, right? That doesn't seem very related. Anyway, on one hand I think the thematic connection is neat and clever. On the other hand I think I might be a little "oh" at the fact that you can't have a mother-daughter movie without a short all about dudes and dude relationships. Hmmmm.
Anya: disney → friend in meerethesunrises on June 27th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
I figured that Fergus and Elinor's marriage would have followed tradition and so he would have had to compete for her hand? Which could mean she's a descendant of another clan (if so, I call Macintosh because hair) or like from some clan over the rainbow idk.

I can't remember them ever being this explicitly connected except for like the old man in the Chess Short being the old man who fixes up Woody in Toy Story 2.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on June 25th, 2012 06:24 am (UTC)
I just got out of seeing it since my sister and I decided we'd rather go see a movie instead of languishing in our motel room.

I thought it's biggest weakness was that the humor was really basic and dumb and it felt out of place in the movie. The humor needed to be more...idk... subtle? Clever? It just didn't reallly fit with the rest of the movie.

And the witch was superr plot pointy and also didn't fit with the tone. I think it would have worked better if Merida had found a vile in the woods or if a sprite had given it to her or something.

I loved Merida and Elinor as individuals as well as thheir relationship. Just in general relationships between women aren't often portayed on film. So I was grateful that the movie took an honest look at the complicaated relationships between mothers and daughters.
Kali: comm :: roooooooxanne_thirty2flavors on June 25th, 2012 07:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I didn't hate the humour, but most of it felt very "kid's movie" -- whereas I think one of Pixar's biggest strengths in other films is having a lot of adult humour as well. Not adult in the "secret sexual innuendo" way, just in terms of stuff kids wouldn't get. So I would've liked to see more of that.

And yeah, the scene with the witch/the witch in general was strange and out of place. The Comedy Crow wasn't doing it for me either, but thankfully he was a very small part.

But yeah! It was so nice to have a mom/daughter story and have the focus be on two women and their relationship and NOT A SINGLE LOVE INTEREST TO BE FOUND.
Who in Whovillewho_in_whoville on June 25th, 2012 09:48 am (UTC)
I just loved the fact that it wasn't a prince saes the princess love story...not thati don't LOVE those. There wasn't even a hint as to which prince she would eventually pick, if any. It was a story about her family.

There were some funny moments, but I wasn't expecting a lot of huge laughs going in.

My oldest already wants to be Merida for Halloween and has taken to whipping her long curly reddish hair while rolling her eyes and saying, "Oh, Mum!"

And seriously? Reese Witherspoon? HORRID! And with all of that Scottish voice talent, why wasn't DT cast as someone...anyone at all...?
Kali: dw :: amy :: delight_thirty2flavors on June 26th, 2012 12:30 am (UTC)
I KNOW OMG. A FEMALE-LEAD MOVIE LET ALONE A PRINCESS MOVIE WITHOUT A LOVE STORY? UNHEARD OF.

I had been told it wasn't that funny so I didn't expect humour really, but I would've liked it to have some humour more in the style of Wall-E or Finding Nemo etc.

Haha that's a great costume. If there was a quick way to dye my hair red I'd consider it tbh. Bows and arrows will be such a popular Halloween accessory this year.

Omg Reese Witherspoon is a lovely person I am sure but why why why would anyone consider her to voice a Scottish princess lmao. Kelly McDonald was great! And yeah it did crack me up that they got like everyone in Scotland to do a voice except David Tennant.
A burning tyger (is on fire)hungrytiger11 on June 25th, 2012 01:04 pm (UTC)
I quite liked Brave, but also felt it was not the story the trailers led one to believe it was. I guess I felt it was going to be more of an epic storyline, with all the talk of fate and bows and arrows. We instead had a much more intimate story about relationships with each other, and really only three very fleshed out characters (Media and her parents). I was very glad in how they portrayed the mother specifically.

Perhaps the humor might also stem from it being one of Pixar's first movies set in a (admittedly unspecific) past era. Aren't all their other movies set in modern day or future eras?
Kali: dw :: cloen/rose :: our first date_thirty2flavors on June 26th, 2012 12:33 am (UTC)
Yeah I think the trailers were misleading. It's only because of fandomsecrets that I even knew the mom became a bear, or that a bear played a big role at all. I wonder why they chose to market it that way. The original title was also "The Bear and the Bow" which I think I might prefer.

That's true, their pop-culture references would be much harder to do in the setting.
A burning tyger (is on fire)hungrytiger11 on June 26th, 2012 02:31 am (UTC)
Didn't know it potentially would have been called that. Much better title really. While both mother and daughter ARE brave.... it is not exactly the main theme (I think familial love is.... and communication perhaps).
Lizbazcat89 on June 25th, 2012 01:28 pm (UTC)
The only thing I'm pressed about is the fact that whoever made the trailer didn't think they could be honest about the plot and still make money.

Even more pressed about the fact that they were probably right.
willendinrain: The Last Unicornwillendinrain on June 25th, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed Brave. I loved the exploration of the mother/daughter relationship, and I was totally crying at the end when Merida was apologizing to her mother. I went to see the movie with my own mother and my two younger cousins (ages 8 and 5). All four of us were charmed by it. I think it's worth noting that from the "target audience", i.e. my cousins, there was never a mention about the men of the movie other than to ask what a "suitor" was.

The humor of the movie didn't bother me. My girls thought the "mother bear" trying to act like a human was the funniest part of the movie, and I didn't find myself looking for or wanting more humor in the Merida/Elinor side of the narrative.

However, I do think that the plot would have benefited from nixing the witch in favor of a creature more traditional to Celtic folklore. My mother was born in Ireland, and my cousins and I have all been raised on Irish myths and legends as much as "traditional" Grimm's fairy tales/Disney movies. When the "wisps" showed up in the very beginning, my eight year old cried out, "Ooooh, wee sprites!" It would have been easy enough to execute, because like many other pagan cultures there are many elemental spirits which could have served the purpose of casting a spell more originally that all the "double, double toil and trouble" filler, especially in light of the fact that the witch was gone as quickly as she came.

Overall, it was awesome, and I sincerely hope it does well in the box office, because I would like to see more female protagonists not more "girl movies".
Kali: atla :: my cranky girlfriend_thirty2flavors on June 27th, 2012 03:36 am (UTC)
Yeah I got a bit misty myself a couple times.

There were some good gags -- the bear/human stuff was pretty good. It was mostly the oneliners I guess that I thought were lacking. I didn't think it was terrible because of this, but I would have liked the movie more if there was a bit more of the really witty stuff Pixar often has.

I think you're right about the witch. She didn't fit the movie, and that whole scene felt out of place and could easily have been replaced with something better and more appropriate to the setting.

I've heard it outdid expectations, but only by a couple million. I want it to do well too!
sarahvalanche: [lok] korracloudydaise on June 25th, 2012 07:28 pm (UTC)
I just saw it and I have to say I agree with pretty much all of this. I definitely picked up on the La Luna thing being about father-son stuff coming right before a mother-daughter movie and wondered why they decided that was necessary, like maybe they thought the boys seeing this movie needed something like that so they didn't feel left out or something. Which of course was BS, because there were tons of little boys in my theater and I saw more than one of them cheering and clapping at the end so clearly they didn't need the film to be about boys to enjoy it.

Whatever though, I think the fact that this movie was made at all is relatively decent progress, even if it wasn't perfect. I didn't really know what the plot was before seeing it other than that there were bears in it, so I didn't know Elinor got changed into one... and that sort of frustrated me, because I was ready for a mother-daughter movie where the mother and daughter, like... interacted, and talked, and you know, stuff like that. And that still happened, kind of, except one of them was a bear and couldn't actually speak words. I guess you could argue that if she hadn't become a bear she wouldn't have been willing to experience life the way Merida likes to live it, or something, and I guess I can see that, and I definitely loved when Elinor fought the bad bear at the end because it was badass, but... oh well. I'm probably nitpicking. Like you said, it wasn't super original but the animation was gorgeous and the mother-daughter relationship was worth it in the end.

(I'm kind of annoyed that they're going from Brave to a Monsters, Inc. bromantic comedy prequel, but hopefully the success of this movie will lead Pixar to making more original, female driven movies in the future. That'd be gr8.)
Kali: tl :: every day like this_thirty2flavors on June 28th, 2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah I'm not sure how to feel about the La Luna thing. On one hand it matches the family theme of the movie and sort of bookends it nicely. On the other hand, like you said, it maybe feels like throwing a bone to boys because god forbid! any boys/men have to sit through an entire hour forty-five without seeing an adequate amount of dudes.

I only found out the mom became a bear a couple weeks before I saw the film, but I did have that thought. It reminded me a bit of how Tiana was the first black princess... and spent much of the film as a frog. I dunno. But it was sort of the driving force of the movie so I wasn't too horrified.

Yeahhhhh, I can't say I'm super eager for that one. Hopefully they don't feel that Brave sort of checked that off forever, but I think that is a possibility.
Katherine: Katnissspicandspan89 on June 26th, 2012 04:41 am (UTC)
Fantastic review - I agree with pretty much everything you said. It may not be Pixar's best, but it is one of few movies that focuses on the mother/daughter relationship (one that isn't a rom com* I mean). This alone places it in a special class. As you alluded to, there is definitely less value placed on stories about women. We need more awesome movies that happen to feature women as the central characters.

The animation was GORGEOUS. Being a sucker for horses, I loved Angus. Also, Merida's gorgeous hair does win major points!

Merida and her mother were both very well rounded and treated very fairly. I found it to be very emotionally powerful, even if the plot and the humour weren't quite what I was expecting, But as a RTD fangirl, EMOTIONS >>> PLOT.

*Or White Oleander.
Kali: tl :: i wanna be with you_thirty2flavors on June 28th, 2012 05:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah that's basically how I feel. I wish it was a bit funnier because I think that would give it more mass appeal, and more mass appeal would win it more money and encourage the studio to make more etc, but I did think the heart was there and I'm glad the heart was there instead of it just being sort of empty but full of one-liners, idk.
Austinjohnmayergirl23 on July 2nd, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
I'm finally reading this because I just saw it and YES, I agree with all points, as per usual.

That scene with Merida fighting her dad, I was like HOLY GOD YESSS OMG BB and then mama bear rolled into position and everything was emotional and beautiful.

Re: humor, I think you're very right, but I also think there was a lot of Scottishy humor/bits? Like, the entire movie I was so incredibly homesick (if that's the right word) for Scotland. omg whenever they spoke gaelic, i cried a little, and the music was like wind in my soullll (That, and i thought the brand of slapstick humor was really funny. idek, the guy who spoke with such a heavy accent that no one understood him made me laugh so much)
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