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09 July 2011 @ 09:44 pm
this post is shorter than i anticipated  
I am up at goldy_dollar's cottage for the weekend! Last night we drove through a crazy storm which seemed to last forever, but the weather here today was really nice -- nice enough that I am now quite burnt in various places. HURRAH. Most of my body sees the sun about once a year so I hope it enjoys this brief dose of vitamin D even if it means sunburns.

We also just watched Torchwood. I HEARD A REAL ACTUAL RADIO COMMERCIAL FOR IT IN THE CAR GUYS.

LOL, Torchwood. I liked this episode. I think the premise of this whole series is really interesting and sufficiently creepy (eeeeeugh the guy who exploded himself agghhhh) and tbh this episode basically lined up with what I was anticipating from the reviews. I'd read that some of the acting is a bit off at the start and it takes a while for everyone to settle in, so I'm hoping Rex becomes a bit less hilarious at times and we get a bit more depth from Esther, etc. I've been liking Esther though! I have all these hopes pinned on her based on basically nothing.

Oswald is creepy as fuck, oh wait sorry I forgot RTD is obviously ~glorifying pedophilia. I have no idea what happened in that scene where they decide to release him, I am pretty sure it would not have made any sense either way.

John Barrowman's attempts to not age are not really working out for him, IDK. Jack is never going to be my favourite character but he is at least good for a laugh most of the time. I grew fond of Gwen in COE and I really liked her here. Clearly I need the now-obligatory Gwen + Baby + Gun icon.

Lastly, this is a problem every time Torchwood gets really srs bsnss (so basically just... COE and now), but I do find myself loling a bit at the FATE OF THE WORLD resting on Jack Harkness and Gwen Cooper while I guess a) Ten turns away in shame or b) Eleven frolics with the Ponds. I get that Martha and Mickey are probably on the world's longest honeymoon, but like, doesn't Amy have family who can pick up the phone and be like AMY NO ONE IS DYING WHAT IS GOING ON? Who am I kidding, Amy doesn't have family ties. Alternately, does this mean that if Donna ~remembered~ right now she could sort of hover in that state of remembering because she wouldn't be able to die? There could be a fic in there somewhere.

Anyway, BRING IT ON, Torchwood. I am curious to see where this all goes.
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Francesgoldy_dollar on July 10th, 2011 02:02 am (UTC)
lol poor John Barrowman's face. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MEAN BUT I WAS THINKING IT. Also his hair was weird.

Gwen's new hair and look were so cute though. I want to move in with her and Rhys more than the Ponds tbh.

I guess because Eleven's world feels so far away from RTD's Who, I'm not as bothered by the lack of tie-in anymore? Like I think I have accepted that mentioning the Doctor/Sarah Jane/Martha Jones/whatever would just be confusing for the American audience. I dunno, it jibes in my head somehow.
Let Them Talkbluetooth16 on July 10th, 2011 02:09 am (UTC)
I don't think they're trying to glorify Oswald. He's clearly being used by those mask guys in the trailers. He's clearly The Bad Guy.

I think Miracle Day is going in a good direction. Especially since Gwen is now completely an HBIC.
Kali_thirty2flavors on July 10th, 2011 04:42 am (UTC)
LOL omg I know, I'm being sarcastic because so many Torchwood fans have whined about how they won't watch a show that glorifies pedophilia like RTD is trying to do. When he is obviously not doing that at all, and has said that Oswald's upcoming celebrity is meant to be disturbing and a sign of how far gone the world is.

IA! Gwen is definitely an HBIC now.
Let Them Talkbluetooth16 on July 10th, 2011 04:49 am (UTC)
Obviously the point went far beyond their heads.

At this point, I'm going to assume all Gwen haters are either clueless or sexist/hate themselves. So tired of all the bullshit fandom throws at her.
fauxkarenfauxkaren on July 10th, 2011 02:26 am (UTC)
get that Martha and Mickey are probably on the world's longest honeymoon,

I want Martha and Mickey to show up on Torchwood. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK RTD? Make Noel and Freema clear their schedules! :(

I thought this episode was good set up and showed a lot of promise, so I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the series!
Kali_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
IKR I want more Martha Jones in my life.

Yeah, it was al ot of exposition and stuff, but I think the premise is interesting so it'll be fun to see where it goes from here and to see the characters settle in a bit more and stuff.
2nd2ndalto2nd2ndalto on July 10th, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)
Alternately, does this mean that if Donna ~remembered~ right now she could sort of hover in that state of remembering because she wouldn't be able to die?

Oooh, interesting!
MVmrv3000 on July 10th, 2011 03:47 am (UTC)
while I guess a) Ten turns away in shame or b) Eleven frolics with the Ponds. I get that Martha and Mickey are probably on the world's longest honeymoon, but like, doesn't Amy have family who can pick up the phone and be like AMY NO ONE IS DYING WHAT IS GOING ON? Who am I kidding, Amy doesn't have family ties.

BWAH!!!

Alternately, does this mean that if Donna ~remembered~ right now she could sort of hover in that state of remembering because she wouldn't be able to die? There could be a fic in there somewhere.

Interesting.
in_comescompanyin_comescompany on July 10th, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
Wales: The British Equivalent of New Jersey
I also like Esther! I enjoyed seeing at least one American who could understand that British =/= English and know that Wales is part of Great Britain, too. Way to be culturally literate, Esther. UNLIKE SOMEONE WE KNOW.

Oh, Rex, CURSE YOUR SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL. I'd like to maybe chart the American characters in Doctor Who and Torchwood on a scale of asshole to dumbass. Let's see, that leaves out...Canton? And maybe Esther, if she continues to be cool?

I feel like Miracle Day won't even try to explain the Doctor's (or the Children of Time's) absence(s). I mean, we got some (however implausible) explanations in CoE, but if we get explanations this time it will probably just be more of the same. But seriously, it does blow a fairly large hole in the TORCHWOOD IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAVE THE WORLD premise, since a good portion of the audience knows of some others who might be able to help.
Kali: dw :: FROLICKING ON GALLIFREY_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Wales: The British Equivalent of New Jersey
LOL. Yeah, I thought she was cute, and I guess I'm just super excited by the prospect of a new RTD-written female character arc. I read in a review somewhere that Esther has the most noticeable character arc and that got me all excited.

LOL Rex was alright, some of his jokes were cracking me up but he hasn't quite dazzled me yet. He has time, I guess.

I doubt MIracle Day will mention it either, especially since it's part-American now and the American audience can't be expected to get the 'RIGHT KIND OF DOCTOR' references and stuff. I did like the explanation they gave in COE, but yeah, the ONLY TORCHWOOD CAN SAVE US NOW stuff always makes me lol a bit because i'm like ONLY TORCHWOOD... OR MARTHA AND MICKEY, OR SARAH JANE, OR THE DOCTOR.
sarahvalanche: [misc] ariel - just not those peoplecloudydaise on July 10th, 2011 06:49 am (UTC)
So many lulz still at the "turning away in shame" thing from COE. Like what else could Ten possibly be up to that he can't come in and save a bunch of little kids from getting eaten by aliens. Kudos for actually trying to explain, kind of, why he's not showing up, but still. Probably would have been better off just not bringing him up. Ten can never resist the opportunity for a righteous lecture and the entire world giving up a tenth of the kids (or w/e the number was) is so epic a fuckup that I refuse to believe he would not have wanted to yell at them about it. But whatever!

I liked this episode mainly because it was interesting and creepy and they finally got a new American news anchor. And of course because Gwen was a badass and shot things while holding a baby and blew up a helicopter with a rocket launcher. Also I did not miss Jack's old coat at all though it did make me wonder how many people are whining about it in the TW fandom I avoid like the plague.
Kali: sd :: the first thing you should know_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 02:32 pm (UTC)
LOL IDK I loved the TURNING AWAY IN SHAME bit in COE, because when it was released as a trailer it was so hilarious to me but by the time we saw that bit in the actual show I could kind of buy it. I do think it's just as, if not more likely, that Ten was just screening Jack's calls, though.

EXCUSE U I LOVE AND MISS AMERICAN NEWSANCHOR LADY. I so wanted her to show up. BOOOOOO. And lol I like the news reports, whatever fandom, it's such a quick way to infodump.
sarahvalanche: [dw] ten and rose are in lovecloudydaise on July 12th, 2011 04:54 pm (UTC)
Lol good point.

LOL I WAS KIND OF SECRETLY BUMMED THEY DIDN'T USE HER AGAIN, I thought for sure they would. And fandom's complaining about news reports now? Seriously?
Opal: BT: smiling Roseshinyopals on July 10th, 2011 12:04 pm (UTC)
I have all these hopes pinned on her based on basically nothing.

THESE HOPES ARE NOT PINNED ON NOTHING, KALI. THEY ARE PINNED ON RUSTY, AND THIS IS A REASONABLE THING.

Gwen is the best. Fandom is silly.

Also lol I have those thoughts about Martha and Mickey less and less the further TW gets from Doctor Who, but I STILL CAN'T HELP BUT THINK IT. My current personal canon is they popped over to Rose and Cloen's wedding and accidentally ended up gone for weeks.
Kali: dw :: smith & jones :: freelance_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:08 pm (UTC)
Rationally I accept that Torchwood is not Doctor Who and the Doctor is never goign to be on Torchwood etc etc but on an in-universe level it always cracks me up to imagine Torchwood is THE LAST HOPE FOR HUMANITY when I am like "... or Sarah Jane, or Martha and Mickey, or the Doctor..."
demented & sad, but social: text: No.papilio_luna on July 10th, 2011 03:30 pm (UTC)
#gurl
I know you're out of town so I'm just going to leave this right here.
Kali: dw :: rose :: i need him_thirty2flavors on July 11th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC)
Re: #gurl
rofl I am glad you are doing your best to supply me with rage while I am on vacation

but lol @ that post. SECOND VERSE, SAME AS THE FIRST. Also lol @ the first like ten comments being like "yeah why do people complain about the show??? It makes me sad. AND I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE THE FIRST FOUR SEASONS WHICH WERE AWFUL".
demented & sad, but socialpapilio_luna on July 11th, 2011 02:35 am (UTC)
Re: #gurl
I liked the OP's "I did a totally unbiased analysis of this show that I totally adore and think is flawless, and can now conclude that people who don't like it at wrong."

LOL OK.
Kali: dw :: amy :: i'm a kissogram_thirty2flavors on July 11th, 2011 02:44 am (UTC)
Re: #gurl
LOL I LIKED THAT TOO. You will be happy to know though that I did an unbiased analysis of s1-s4 and they wre likewise flawless and anyone who says otherwise is categorically wrong.

It's possible i've just been lucky enough to not witness this, but I have not really seen anyone complain about Karen Gillan being too skinny, so the thread about that and how IT'S NOT HER FAULT THE OTHERS WEREN'T and I was just kind of like lol what is happening here.
demented & sad, but socialpapilio_luna on July 11th, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Re: #gurl
BILLIE PIPER, FREEMA AGYEMAN: TOTALLY FATSOS, AMIRITE?

Hot Mess, party of doctorwho.

But yeah, I think my favourite part was the extreme hypocrisy of "Oh my god you guys, why is everyone so negative when the show is so much better now, god it totally sucked before, you are all a bunch of stupid slash fangirls [um, there is like no slash in this fandom -eds.]. Gosh, everyone should just lighten up and not criticise one another! Especially becuase I'm right and you're wrong!"
Kali: dw :: doctordonna :: the best of times_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:26 pm (UTC)
Re: #gurl
lol @ someo f the later comments and the OP's response when people were like "but you're doing the exact same thing to the RTD-era fans in this exact post" and the OP is like IT'S NOT MY FAULT I WOUNDED YOUR DELICATE SENSIBILITIES WITH MY TRUTH omg lol
demented & sad, but socialpapilio_luna on July 12th, 2011 03:35 pm (UTC)
Re: #gurl
Damn you, I had almost forgotten that post and now I had to go and reply!

With the original post I thought maybe they were just a total fandom n00b who didn't understand the kind of wankbait they were flinging around but now I see that they are just an asshole! Lol at thehornedgod though. See, that's why I like him as mod, even though he's got a lot of haters for being an out and proud RTD stan (and he gets blamed for the frankly bizarre content of that comm, but it's not really his fault that it's the first stop for every single LJ newbie interested in the fandom).
Kali: dw :: eleven :: from another planet_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:47 pm (UTC)
Re: #gurl
Yeah initially I thought they were just new as well but nahhh.

LOL thehornedgod cracks me up ngl, I don't recall ever particular disapproving of his modding techniques but I do remember someone advising me in anONTD post to join doctoreleven ebcause it was ~much less biased than doctorwho. lol no thanks.
Hannahfirstofoct on July 10th, 2011 10:26 pm (UTC)
I approve of half your review making DW comparisons/questions/fic scenarios.

doctahr: Bad Wolfdoctahr on July 10th, 2011 10:42 pm (UTC)
Oswald was released bc he argued that the constitution said he could not be tried for the same crime twice.
Since they already punished him for his crime by giving him lethal injection, and nothing technically went wrong with it he said he should be set free. He pointed out that they couldn't keep him in jail because that would be a second punishment for the same crime- something they weren't allowed to do. They let him go because his argument fit the laws, and he threatened to sue the governor, which they were fairly certain would work/.

Hope that made sense.


Anyway, terrific episode imo.
The exploded body was creepy. I was watching, thinking that they should at least put the poor guy out of his misery by rendering him brain-dead or something.
Speaking of which, in the commercial for next time, that woman told the doctors to relax, because they now had plenty of time. I feel this isn't true, because if you wait too long, people *will* get worse. Lack of blood or oxygen going to a person's brain would make them brain-dead, and wounds will get worse if not treated. Burns, for instance.
Hope that is thought through just a bit more by the writers, or if the writers know this, the doctors in the show who should have medical degrees that tell them this kind of stuff.

Theory: The miracle was created so whoever made it could kill Jack. Judging by the guy with the bomb strapped to his chest, the miracle was obviously created by someone who wants to hurt someone connected to Torchwood.
Kali: dw :: martha :: calling dr jones_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC)
Yeahhh but I just don't think that legal argument has any merit. I mean it's a completely unprecedented situation so I do not believe it would be difficult to get around it and I'm not convinced his lawsuit would work. BUT OKAY it is a neccessary plot device I guess, so... we'll just... go with it.

Yeah, they were very particular about establishing that not being "dead" doesn't mean you stop dying, which makes it very bleak indeed. Poor exploded dude, and thousands of others.

I think that could very likely be it. I fully expect some sort of alien involvement and ifJack is mortal somehow I can easily see them targetting Jack. Because Jack is such a COMPETENT ADVERSARY? lol.
The "Original Function"™iceshade on July 11th, 2011 02:22 am (UTC)
YOUR TORCHWOOD TAG. I LOVE IT.
Kali_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC)
I AM GLAD YOU APPROVE BB

should be their slogan y/y
captaintish: Dr. Who -- Captain Jackcaptaintish on July 11th, 2011 03:13 am (UTC)
John Barrowman's attempts to not age are not really working out for him, IDK.

LOL, I thought there was something a bit off about him. I was so excited, but then, he just wasn't acting himself, somehow? IDK.

The only way I can explain the whole thing where the Doctor doesn't get involved to myself is that these must be fixed points in time or something, pivotal times for the human race.

Gwen and Rhys are awesome and adorable, and they have the cutest baby ever. But I don't understand -- do they have people hunting them or something?
Kali_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
His face... he's had work done and it looks kind of like he's wearing a John Barrowman mask now, lol, idk. It was a bit distracting.

Yeah I mean I know on a logical level that the Doctor can't get involvd because the Doctor can never be on Torchwood and that makes sense and I accept it, but still on an in-universe level it cracks me up sometimes. And I do find myself wondering about the characters I know and love who've been forgotten and how they cope wtih the things that continue to happen on Earth -- like Donna, and Martha, etc.

I'm not really sure what that's about either? I thought Gwen was just being paranoid but the Big Helicopter of Doom suggests otherwise. I hope we get more explanation.
Nichothodes Koryfoidesplacebetween on July 11th, 2011 06:16 pm (UTC)
Please tell me that the internet reacted badly to this episode and I will get a message from you. They are always the highlights of my days tbh.

I hope you had a lot of fun at the cottage!!
Kali: dw :: doctordonna :: time lord code_thirty2flavors on July 12th, 2011 03:24 pm (UTC)
There was a general discussion post on doctorwho and the reactions were mixed as usual but nothing hilarious yet. I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. ~Rumour has it~ Jack hooks up with someone so I am sure some shippers will be enraged somewhere.

Thanks! I did indeed. It is lame to be back at the office now though. I am sunburnt and covered in mosquito bites.
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