24 April 2011 @ 12:10 am
6x01 The Impossible Astronaut  

I literally JUST finished watching but I wanted to get down my own thoughts/immediate reactions before reading other people's posts or talking to anyone about it. SO, off the top of my head:

  • The Doctor being painted naked and hiding under the artist's skirt while still naked had me rolling my eyes, ngl.
  • LOL LOL @ the Easter island burn
  • I didn't anticipate Eleven being the one who "dies" (still waiting for the get-out-of-jail card there) before the show aired, but once the episode started I got that ~feel, especially when he was all "you cannot interfere". It was however not emotional for me, the same way the Doctor fake-dying is always sort of an emotional non-event. As hard as Karen, Alex and Arthur were trying to make me sympathize, and they did okay -- especially Alex -- I'm also like "yeah yeah w/e the Doctor is clearly not dead forever". It was similar to my non-emotion during Eleven's rewind in The Big Bang.
  • I think it's interesting that they picked up evidently after the Ponds have left the Doctor already -- does that mean the coming season is going to be set ...before... the opening two-parter? That sounds weird, but seems like a Moffat thing to do, so we'll see.
  • Having said that, we'd better go back and see that stuff. I mean, when did Eleven and River become so flirty? Especially since he went from being all "I can't and don't trust you" at the start of the episode to all "HEYYY ;D ;D ;D ;D" later on. I'm not bothered by it, but I was pretty surprised. I'm not sure when they got to that point. (But then, it seems like we've skipped a year or so, so...)
  • On a similar note, River's scene with Rory was good -- I liked that she acknowledged how fucked up their backwards relationship is because the first time he meets bbRiver he knows everything and holds all the cards. And I liked that Rory connected this to the Doctor and Amy. My biggest sticking point with Doctor/River is the backwardsness leading to a relative lack of consent/free will, and I had been skeptical that the text would ever acknowledge this as problematic, so I liked it. Her foreshadowing/calling back to the Library episodes was good, probably would've been emotional rather than making me lol if I had enjoyed the Library episodes more. (Note to self: rewatch.) Does this mean that every time we see River we are literally going further and further back on her timeline? At first I was all "River whatchoo talkin' bout, he knows you more and more" but then I realized that I guess this for her is... before the Pandorica and the Byzantium? GOD IDK someone needs to draw me a diagram of River's life.
  • Amy is pregnant! Knew it, but I was glad to get that covered and out of the way in 6x01, rather than have her tease this for ages. I guess that's not her secret from the Doctor then...? Since she just told him? And then shot a child, but the child seemed pretty safe and not-dead in the Next Time preview so I am not too concerned. I am curious about why it is SO crucial for her to tell the Doctor RIGHT NOW, and whether or not Rory knows.
  • "Time can be rewritten." "Not everything." Ugh, thank you River, let's get some laws of time up in here.
  • I'm sure the internet is full of everyone talking about how THE SILENTS ARE THE STUFF OF NIGHTMARES but they did not scare me at all. I think the idea of forgetting them as soon as you look away is good, but the actual look of them and stuff hasn't creeped me out at all. Eh. But that is okay because this show rarely manages to creep me out.
  • As always, needs moar Rory.


In short, very intriguing start to a series. I feel like I can't really judge the episode properly until I see 6x02. I am SO READY for a (half-)season of this show though, omg, come to me already.
 
 
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Beck: DW - Doc10 Eeew by crazypandabearbeck_liz on April 24th, 2011 04:46 am (UTC)
The Doctor being painted naked and hiding under the artist's skirt while still naked had me rolling my eyes, ngl.

Trying to repress the fact that that ever happened, here. URGH.
Kali: dw :: doctors :: bringing you back_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
YEAH I would be fine chopping that off the start of the episode entirely.
Mara: Who - Rory/Amy | They waitednani1986 on April 24th, 2011 04:55 am (UTC)
As always, needs moar Rory.
THIS. SO MUCH.

Loved the episode but Rory gets no love. Why does the redhead boy in a trio of friends always get the short end of the stick?

I'm liking River more and more as time goes by.
Kali: dw :: eleven&river :: fezzes are cool_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 05:02 am (UTC)
Rory isn't a redhead! But yeah he is totally the Rupert Grint of this whole thing lolol.

Me too. Eleven grated on me in this episode more than anyone else, which is odd, he has been doing that lately (lol "lately" -- here and in Space & Time). But I can safely say I enjoy River's presence now.
willendinrain: bbAmyfezwillendinrain on April 24th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
Oh man. My enjoyment of this episode is going to be insanely hinged on the second half because I just felt complete suspense the entire time...which will be awesome if the ending is awesome...and less so if it not.

I loved the River/Rory convo, though I was confused about the backward timeline, because in The Library River tells Ten about how the last time they saw each other he was crying and he "must have known" it was time for her to come to The Library...which would mean that her last date was his first date...and he cried, LOL. Yes, Eleven you MAY channel emo!Ten.

Also, I would like to think that the Doctor is ~really~ dead, because otherwise I will be NOT AMUSED. I know this is silly of me. But, a girl can hope, lirl. Of course, we all know there will be a 27th incarnation of the Doctor because there is no way that Moffat is cutting off the British cash cow that is Doctor Who. Although, I admit, 200 years of Eleven would be amusing.

I don't know how I feel about this Amy + preggers business, but since River also is (clearly) knocked-up with her "prison food" nonsense, this only leads me to believe that they both have ALIEN SPAWN GROWING INSIDE THEM. In River's case I should clarify "non-Time Lord" alien spawn.

Some of the one-liners were pretty awesome, I definitely laughed more than was appropriate considering the "gravity" of this episode. Mostly I am hoping that mysteries are actually solved in the second half of this two-parter instead of in, you know, autumn....

Kali: dw :: amy :: oh noes!_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 05:08 am (UTC)
Yeah I often feel that way with two-parters. And really all this one did was establish a lot of stuff, so it'll depend how it all is resolved whether or not I like it that much. I'm suspecting there won't be as much resolution as I'd like.

I was confused about the backward timeline, because in The Library River tells Ten about how the last time they saw each other he was crying and he "must have known" it was time for her to come to The Library

Yeah, I think that must've been in-synch-with-her!Doctor. I am sure the Library mentions/foreshadows were meant to be more emotional than they are for me, I just... didn't enjoy those episodes and it's hard for me to connect River now with River in those episodes. I've been meaning to rewatch them though so I'll have to do that and give it a shot. Butttt yeah.

Omfg @ Eleven staying alive for 200 years. Ten managed like 5 and that's if I'm generous. The Doctor's death was a non-event for me as well because it clearly has to be undone, somehow.

I don't know how I feel about this Amy + preggers business, but since River also is (clearly) knocked-up with her "prison food" nonsense, this only leads me to believe that they both have ALIEN SPAWN GROWING INSIDE THEM. In River's case I should clarify "non-Time Lord" alien spawn.

It wasn't just the sickness though (I noticed River doing that too); when they're at the picnic Eleven mentions that Amy's put on some weight, and Amy holds her stomach a couple times which could be because she's sick or also could be because she's pregnant.

I didn't find the episode as funny as Moffat's stuff sometimes is. But I enjoyed it.
redonthefly: amy curiousredonthefly on April 24th, 2011 09:36 pm (UTC)
when they're at the picnic Eleven mentions that Amy's put on some weight, and Amy holds her stomach a couple times which could be because she's sick or also could be because she's pregnant.

At this picnic, isn't she drinking wine? I doubt that even Moff would have her do that if she knew she was preggo.
Jude: doctor who; amydanceonstardust on April 24th, 2011 07:44 am (UTC)
I don't know how I feel about this Amy + preggers business, but since River also is (clearly) knocked-up with her "prison food" nonsense, this only leads me to believe that they both have ALIEN SPAWN GROWING INSIDE THEM. In River's case I should clarify "non-Time Lord" alien spawn.

MTE.
demented & sad, but socialpapilio_luna on April 24th, 2011 05:05 am (UTC)
Amy is so totally not pregnant. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
Kali: dw :: eleven :: SCHOOL OF WITCHCRAFT_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 05:12 am (UTC)
She could be lying or something I suppose. That hadn't really occurred to me until I saw people on the internet saying it. It would make Eleven's "you've put on some weight" comment pretty odd though. Then again with Moffat I am never sure if his foreshadowing is real foreshadowing or intentional misdirection or a coincidence.
alephlacunaz on April 24th, 2011 05:08 am (UTC)
"Time can be rewritten." "Not everything." Ugh, thank you River, let's get some laws of time up in here.

Apparently they can rewrite the whole universe but the Doctor is out of bounds? Or something?

We need some like, hardcore Doctor like Nine to be like WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU STUPID APES. Nine wouldn't put up with these timey-wimey shenanigans.
Kali: dw :: eleven :: strongest in arms_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 05:14 am (UTC)
LOL RIGHT. I'm used to Doctor Who playing ~fast and loose with time travel rules, but I was pleased by River mentioning some semblance of order and reason. SOMEONE'S GOTTA DO IT and Eleven is apparently not up to the task.
captaintish: Dr. Who -- Rivercaptaintish on April 24th, 2011 05:49 am (UTC)
I think it's interesting that they picked up evidently after the Ponds have left the Doctor already -- does that mean the coming season is going to be set ...before... the opening two-parter? That sounds weird, but seems like a Moffat thing to do, so we'll see.

I hate skipping time, so I hope they do go back and show us all that we missed.

LOL at the painting at the beginning and the Easter Island thing.

I need to rewatch this episode ASAP.
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think I need to rewatch too, I'm sure my understanding of this episode was only so-so lol.

and yeah IA about time skipping. Why the f were Amy and Rory at home (and in SUCH A NICE HOUSE lol for 20-something newlyweds) for two months in the first place, etc. I have a feeling we won't find out for a long time.
captaintish: Dr. Who -- Amy and Rory's weddingcaptaintish on April 24th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC)
I have a feeling we won't find out for a long time.

Argh, it's going to drive me crazy!
sunnytyler001sunnytyler001 on April 24th, 2011 05:56 am (UTC)
"As always, needs moar Rory."

AGREED :D
Kali: dw :: rory :: trust the plastic_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC)
Everything needs more Rory.
Anya: doctor who (a new future)erethesunrises on April 24th, 2011 06:18 am (UTC)
It was however not emotional for me, the same way the Doctor fake-dying is always sort of an emotional non-event. As hard as Karen, Alex and Arthur were trying to make me sympathize, and they did okay -- especially Alex -- I'm also like "yeah yeah w/e the Doctor is clearly not dead forever". It was similar to my non-emotion during Eleven's rewind in The Big Bang.

THIS FOREVER. Plus, I mean, come on, it's Who. We should be used to the mindfucks by now. And when it happens so early on in the episode, it's too dramatic to really take that seriously. You know it's going to be solved somehow. It's confusing but definitely not emotional for me. Also, yes, too at the opener.

I really, really liked Rory and River's scene and yes, ALWAYS needs more Rory.

I've been hearing some theories about Amy not really being pregnant, actually. Either way, I think this will be her and Rory's last season.

But yeah, as unexcited as I was for the start of the season, it felt so good to be watching Who again.
Kali: dw :: amy :: goodbye!_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
Yeah, every "ZOMG THE DOCTOR IS DYING GUYS REALLY FOR REAL" scene when I know the actor isn't even leaving the damn role, let alone the whole mythology of the show abruptly coming to an end, always feels kind of anticlimatic to me. While the three of them were crying I was just kind of tapping my foot waiting for the resolution to start, lol.

I was pleasantly surprised by River and Rory's scene. And glad they got a scene, since we haven't seen them interact yet.

Yeah, apparently no one on the internet thinks she is really pregnant except for me.I get that River was nauseous after seeing the Silents too, but with the comment about her weight at the start and the "making babies" remark I don't think it's necessarily untrue. I think it's possible it's not really what she meant to tell him. IDK.

I agree! It keeps blowing my mind that the next episode is IN A WEEK instead of in ten months.
only arceus can have a perfect blog: why yes i do think fun should be illegalspud14 on April 24th, 2011 06:45 am (UTC)
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING, which is nice because now i do not have to make a post, thanks.
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:31 pm (UTC)
HURRAH!
fauxkarenfauxkaren on April 24th, 2011 07:49 am (UTC)
The Doctor being painted naked and hiding under the artist's skirt while still naked had me rolling my eyes, ngl.

Oooomg. So awkward. I got major secondhand embarrassment from that scene.


Amy is pregnant! Knew it, but I was glad to get that covered and out of the way in 6x01, rather than have her tease this for ages. I guess that's not her secret from the Doctor then...? Since she just told him? And then shot a child, but the child seemed pretty safe and not-dead in the Next Time preview so I am not too concerned. I am curious about why it is SO crucial for her to tell the Doctor RIGHT NOW, and whether or not Rory knows.
I'm not convinced that she IS pregnant. lol. And idk why that is. I just feel like it's a misdirect for some reason.

I'm sure the internet is full of everyone talking about how THE SILENTS ARE THE STUFF OF NIGHTMARES but they did not scare me at all. I think the idea of forgetting them as soon as you look away is good, but the actual look of them and stuff hasn't creeped me out at all. Eh. But that is okay because this show rarely manages to creep me out.
Yeah. They looked a bit like the Gentlement but idk. They didn't terrify me.



But yeah, I totally agree that I feel like I can't properly judge this episode until I see the next one. This one was just so much set up, and I don't think I can really decide how I feel about the story as a whole until I get the resolution.
Kali: dw :: rory :: spoiler alert_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:30 pm (UTC)
I think that scene would've been less eye-rolly for me if it hadn't come in the wake of like, Matt Smith talking about how the Doctor is such a ~player or whatever and Moffat being himself. But it was one of only two eye-rolly moments for me which is pretty good by Moffat standards, so. (The second being Amy as "the legs", which was admittedly tempered by "the nose" and "Mrs Robinson" lol)

Yeah, apparently I am the only person on the internet who came away thinking Amy was really pregnant. I'm not sure I buy into the conspiracy theories for why she isn't, but I mean since she just told him I don't think that's the huge secret Amy is supposedly hiding all season. IDK.

lol, that's one of only about 2 episodes of Buffy I have seen in recent memory and yeah they are kind of like that.

Basically! I think I liked it? But I feel like how much I really like it depends on how Day of the Moon goes.

Jude: doctor who; elevendanceonstardust on April 24th, 2011 07:55 am (UTC)
I think it's a fake death too. If it's Moffat, it's bound to be a fake one or else. He's going to get beaten up with that ego of his.

LOL LOL @ the Easter island burn
I was the only one laughing at this. My family were all like O.o

I loved the River/Rory scene, I like their interactions. They need to have more meaningful conversations.

Amy is pregnant! Knew it, but I was glad to get that covered and out of the way in 6x01, rather than have her tease this for ages. I guess that's not her secret from the Doctor then...? Since she just told him? And then shot a child, but the child seemed pretty safe and not-dead in the Next Time preview so I am not too concerned.

LOL everyone said this while watching it "I KNEW IT!" next thing I got a coke out of it. xD The kid looked pissed though.

I am curious about why it is SO crucial for her to tell the Doctor RIGHT NOW, and whether or not Rory knows.
Maybe she was feeling sick and she had to tell somebody why she's been sick? IDK I don't get why it was REALLY IMPORTANT. She may have ate her genuine words and just announced it. I mean I get if Rory was there saying "NOT RIGHT NOW WE ARE BEING CHASED!" Why tell the Doctor?

It seems like a couple scene, I could picture Rose saying this to 10.2 or something like out of baby fanfic. lol.
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 03:34 pm (UTC)
Well, also the Doctor can't die. He just can't. The show's not ending. So...

LOL I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER and a bit mean, poor Matt Smith. ll every time a character's looks get insulted on scripted television I am like "...lol the poor actor".

I think that's basically the first conversation we've seen between River and Rory isn't it? But I liked it, yeah. More plz.

Yeah, I don't know why it was REALLY IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW either. Apparently most people don't think she's actually pregnant, and think it's a misdirection, so who knows.

Jude: doctor who; amydanceonstardust on April 26th, 2011 12:09 am (UTC)
Well, also the Doctor can't die. He just can't. The show's not ending. So...

What gets me a bit ticked off is that Steven Moffat went "Oh yeah that's him, he's dead." on the confidential. I know he can't give anything away. That man is a troll.

LOL I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEVER and a bit mean, poor Matt Smith. ll every time a character's looks get insulted on scripted television I am like "...lol the poor actor".

LOL! RIGHT?! But I guess he takes it in good humor. He can be mean spirited. I guess that's U.K. humor for you.

I think that's basically the first conversation we've seen between River and Rory isn't it? But I liked it, yeah. More plz.

I thought it already happened until I realized I read it in fic. LOL!

Yeah, I don't know why it was REALLY IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW either. Apparently most people don't think she's actually pregnant, and think it's a misdirection, so who knows.

Another thing that S.M said was that "Everything in this season surrounds this pregnancy." or something. Maybe the silences went "BOOM YOU'RE PREGNANT!" to her. lol. I mean River felt sick as well. XD
Opal: AoG: Jackie/Ten *SMOOCH*shinyopals on April 24th, 2011 10:49 am (UTC)
I REALLY HOPE PART TWO EXPLAINS SOME STUFF BECAUSE I AM SO CONFUSED.

River and Eleven suddenly going into MAJOR FLIRT TIMES had me very confused and finding it hard to take them seriously, ngl.

And I liked River's convo with Rory, but am not convinced the writers realise just how screwed up it is yet.
Kali: dw :: eleven&river :: fezzes are cool_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 06:04 pm (UTC)
I WANT ANSWERS BUT AM ANTICIPATING NOT GETTING ANY. IDK.

I didn't mind some of their flirting but some of it was a bit too much for me, like it felt out of place in a ~family show~ -- namely River being "a good screamer" and even the Doctor's line about "that's your 'he's hot when he's clever'" face. Something about the Doctor -- especially Eleven -- describing himself as "hot" was odd to me. I don't mind that they're flirting and am willing to be converted, but some of it feels like a bit too much for the style of the show. I MEAN, it's not Torchwood.

lol but the text has River explicitly say that it is messed up.
Opalshinyopals on April 24th, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, like, I have it in me to mildly ship Eleven/River, but the flirting was just too much, too soon for me.

And did it? Lol I was actually listening, I was just getting a ~tragic romance~ vibe from what she was saying as opposed to MANIPULATIVE NON-CON which is... how the situation sits in my mind.
Ing: dw :: rory | the ones left behindhysteriagalore on April 24th, 2011 11:30 am (UTC)
1. "yeah yeah w/e the Doctor is clearly not dead forever"
One would think they'd learnt that by now :P But it's a nice

2. Amy is pregnant!
I am still not convinced but it would be cute to have a little baby-Rory :D

3. THE SILENTS ARE THE STUFF OF NIGHTMARES
I did not find them that scary but I might have been a bit desensitized by these gentlemen:


4. I am so stanning for Rory it's not even funny. He's great and I feel kind of bad for him. I hope he gets to be the hero again in s6! I was pleasantly surprised that I actually care about the characters this season. Well mostly Rory and a bit about what the clusterfuck that is River/Doctor is all about but still. Good job Moffat, I was not expecting it.

5. Just going to end with a FUCK YEA MARK SHEPPARD (whom I have LOVED ever since Battlestar Galactica). BAMF!
Kali: dw :: rory :: trust the plastic_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 06:10 pm (UTC)
1. LOL RIGHT. I was glad Amy ran through like "maybe it's a clone or something!" Ugh seriously show stop hinging drama on the Doctor's death, he is the title character, I know he's not going anywhere, it's not going to get me worked up.

2. I have seen about 2 episodes of Buffy in recent memory, and this was one of them. lolol

4. RORY. I hope he gets more to do. They keep promising me he will but I haven't really seen it yet. I liked his scene with River though. I'm also kind of curious about the clusterfuck that is Doctor/River. I think it's safe to say I'm genuinely fond of River now, she did not annoy me once! Actually, I was really digging all 3 of the companions, Amy did not annoy me either.

Unfortunately the same can't be said for Eleven. I don't even know what it is, but I was just kind of in a state of constant near-annoyance with him. Like either I am still nursing a grudge from FMM, or Matt Smith's comments + the opening scene put me off, or I'm still irritated thanks to Space & Time, or I am sympathizing too much with the companions and am like "god Eleven you jackass how dare you invite them to a picnic to watch you die ugh you're the worst", but I'm looking at icons and stuff from 6x01 and I'm like "OOO AMY RORY RIVER ...ugh Eleven". For some reason ever since Moffat took over there's always like one character per episode who I am annoyed with, and who that character is seems to be a torch passed between Amy, Eleven and River. Lately it's been Eleven's turn.

5. LOL I have never seen anything he's been in but everyone seems super excited about him. I was glad for the return of the Gay Agenda?

sherrilina: 11 Bow Tie Obsession (Doctor Who)sherrilina on April 24th, 2011 10:51 pm (UTC)
Mark Sheppard is made of awesome, but much more when he has his usual British accent, so lame to force him to use an American one here! (He was also in Firefly, Supernatural, and like one epp of Dollhouse).

Yeah, that was pretty douchey of Eleven, but overall I think I actually found him growing on me, during other adorable moments like popping out to get his special straw, or "oh that's a rubbish title"...but yeah, River and Amy did annoy me less, the only River moment that REALLY bugged me/made me eyeroll (besides her general superior knowledge of the TARDIS) was when she was all, "they're Americans!" about them shooting--yes, there is a gun problem here, but I find that line a bit rich coming from a character who routinely SHOOTS EVERYTHING (Eleven's hat and the astronaut in this epp alone a few minutes ago, for instance).
she_burns1: Karen Gshe_burns1 on April 24th, 2011 11:55 am (UTC)
Just watched it this morning!

I too, was not at all moved by Eleven's 'death' and also didn't understand why the rest of them were getting so worked up about it - time travel, people. TIME TRAVEL. And yeah, yeah, I know 'unchangable events' and 'paradox' or whatever but how many times has he, and heck, even they (looking at you, Rory) died and come back? I just couldn't muster up the sad for it.

I love how Rory, being the 'new one', has to explain everything to Canton about time travel and 'bigger on the inside' and whatnot - also loved his interaction with River but STILL NEED MORE. I can never have enough Rory.

...also, I'm surprisingly digging Doctor/River? Something I thought would never ever happen? I guess because I don't mind Eleven with River but not (never ever) Ten.

And last note, was it just me, or did Karen look particularly HOT in this episode. I couldn't look away from her gorgeous hair.
Kali: dw :: rory :: trust the plastic_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm really over the whole fake-death plotline. It got used A LOT in series 5 and I wish we could retire it for a while. It's not suspenseful if you do it ALL THE TIME, and it's not suspenseful if you pick the main character -- the one who absolutely cannot permanently die in any circumstances, ever.

Yeah, I like Rory a lot and I'm hoping he gets more stuff to do this season. I notice there's a bit of backlash in fandom over Rory's popularity because he's "boring" but his "boring" normalness is precisely what I like about him. Eleven, Amy and River are great, but none of them are ordinary at all, and what I like about Doctor Who is the way it features ordinary people doing awesome things.

Yeah, I don't mind Eleven/River. Some of the flirting was awkward to me (the "screamer" joke had me cringing in a Mrs Lovejoy-esque way) but I don't object on any, like, competing-ship levels. Eleven can do what (or whom) he wants, I ain't even bovvered.

She looked gorgeous! She was very pretty in s5 but her hair in this episode and in most of the shots in the s6 trailer is just amazing.
needlereview.blogspot.comneedlereview.blogspot.com on April 24th, 2011 01:47 pm (UTC)
I love Rory. It's like whatever's happening, how shattering it may be, it's an everyday thing for him. Everyone's like 'what's going on?' 'what's happening?' and he reamains cool as ever. He's very perceptive and he's obviously the only sane one in the group, and River's in the running for second and only place.
Kali: dw :: eleven :: pepperpots of doom_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:11 pm (UTC)
Rory adds some much-needed sensibility to an otherwise over-the-top and totally whacky Team TARDIS. I didn't really notice what I was missing between Eleven and Amy until Rory joined up in VOV, and then when he left again for two episodes I was like "NOOOOOO" because I really do think he is a key element. Eleven and Amy need a voice of reason.
Let Them Talk: Elevenbluetooth16 on April 24th, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC)
It's very hard for me to speak on this episode because I saw things people don't even know about it. What I will say is that I want to see more Rory.

As far as the upskirt thing, I'm assuming that's a trailer for the pirates episode. I know for a fact that it isn't in the second episode.
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 24th, 2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
Without telling me what is or isn't resolved, can you at least tell me if I should be getting ready for none of my questions to be answered in Day of the Moon? Like, if I am hoping for resolution on Saturday am I going to be disappointed?

I thought the upskirt thing was just an example of the Doctor having shenanigans on his own, which Amy was reading about in a history book or whatever.
Let Them Talk: Elevenbluetooth16 on April 24th, 2011 06:05 pm (UTC)
Some of your questions may be answered. However, Day of the Moon also sets up stuff that's bound to come back later in the season.

It was, but I have a theory that those people are coming back. The pirate ep seems like the most logical place for it to reappear.
Churleekageek on April 24th, 2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
I loved the Easter Island burn! It made me lol, ngl. And I totally also got the ~vibe~ that it would be the Doctor before it happened (pre-season, I worried that it would be Rory. again.), but seeing it hit me a little harder than I expected. But it really was just that one moment when he gets shot and his face when he starts to regenerate. Then I was instantly over it because this show pretty much lives on fake deaths. When Amy was all "Stop talking it doesn't matter," I was like, "No, YOU stop talking and get on with timey-wimey things now."

I was surprised by liking River in this episode! Her one liners have always been my favorite thing about her, and that was in full force (with the things I hate being played down). I also liked how they did address that her relationship with the Doctor is fucked up. Though, seriously, if meeting Ten when he didn't know her yet was so traumatic, she could have tried not being bitchy. It might have made it easier, just saying. >.>

But yeah, the feeling that I get is that River and the Doctor's events are pretty much going in sequential order - just in opposite directions, which is weird. She knows him a little less every time he meets her too. It's like they're each dating an Alzheimer's patient. ._.

The "time can be rewritten" / "not everything" thing kind of bugged me because I had just watched the Christmas Carol episode for the first time an hour earlier. And we get dude HUGGING HIS YOUNGER SELF. Where were the paradox monsters, I ask you? But the show does need to go back to having some rules, so I appreciated River throwing that in there.

Moar Rory forevar.
Kali: dw :: ten :: they will obey me_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:24 pm (UTC)
The show has lived on fake deaths more since s5 than even before (RTD preferred the "fake death foreshadow" to the actual "fake death") and I'm so over it tbh, by this point I was like "why is anyone even upset, you've all died and come back at least once". Maybe Rory was so chill because he's died and come back twice, lol.

LOL I have yet to rewatch the Library episodes -- I keep meaning to, but I'm not sure my fondness for River will overcome my general dislike for those episodes. Also, she's going to be saying stuff about how Ten isn't the Doctor "yet" and I am going to be like "GIRLLLL".

lol ACC was a mess from that perspective. I don't like Moffat's favourite version of timetravel.
Churleekageek on April 27th, 2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
True - I was sort of lumping fake deaths and fake death foreshadows together. But regardless, if you're traveling with the Doctor (or if you are the Doctor), death should be sort of a non-issue by now. And haha, yes. Rory is chill because he knows better (and because he's Rory).

I haven't either. I watched like... a 30 second clip on youtube to see if the space suits they were wearing were like the space suits in this episode (which they weren't, which killed my crazy theory that the astronaut was library!River). I am hoping that when I do rewatch them that they will be more ~poignant~ and not that I will be like, "Oh yeah, I remember now why I dislike River..."

Yeeeeah. I realize that this is a show that just throws science-y words at things to explain them, but it still needs rules. If he can just bounce around within timelines however he wants without worrying about paradoxes and stuff, then nothing bad should ever happen (like, idk, Ten's entire life) because he could just fix it. He could have just bounced back fifteen minutes and been like, "Hi, other me, you handsome man, you! Also, Rose, that lever is totally not locked into place and if you don't fix that you're going to get sucked into a parallel universe. Just saying. Kbye!" So I was glad when River was like, "Uh, no, actually, there are rules. Sometimes, anyway."
Alia: DoctorAmy2anonymouscatt on April 25th, 2011 02:05 am (UTC)
I was confused by the flirty Eleven/River dialogue too, especially after he was all, "I don't trust you." Definitely hoping for some kind of River timeline in the near future so I can figure out when everything is happening for her. Are they literally coming from exact opposite directions in time? This show is so confusing.

Yeah, but even though River says not everything can be rewritten, I am sure Eleven's death will be because there is no way they are ending the series with him, so again... laws of time flying out the window. As usual. XD
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I felt like after their confrontation the flirting kind of got kicked up a notch and I wasn't sure how or why.

Oh, I'm sure Eleven will come back, I just appreciated River acknowledging that not EVERYTHING can be rewritten. FINALLY.
morneamornea on April 25th, 2011 06:31 am (UTC)
I didn't think the Silents were that scary, until tonight. I'ts 2:30 am and I have all the lights on. lol.

A monster that is scary as heck and then you forget? Who can't relate to feeling oddly scared but not knowing from what? :: shudder ::

I'm not sure Amy IS pregnant. She seemed compelled to tell him AFTER her enounter with Creepy Guy in the lavatory. He was telling her what she MUST tell and MUST NOT tell. Then she's thinking she has to tell him something... and she blurts it out at the oddest moment. So.. is it true or it it the Silents suggestion?

The doctor is about as dead as the Master was in LotTL, if that. What is it with LAKES and WATER? River is in a water prison- the Storm Cage. Someone brought up River being the Lady of the Lake to The doctor's Merlin. I wonder. about that.

I really liked the episode, although it's just an opener to a larger story (much like a part one of the old Who serials).
Kali_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
There's a lot to suggest Amy is pregnant even before the Silent, but someone upthread pointed out that she was drinking wine, so I guess she probably isn't. IDK.

Yeah, there's a lot of water imagery lol, I wonder where that's going.

I liked the episode, mostly, but I can't really judge it until I see the second part. I liked a couple scenes but the plot has barely gotten started, so I don't know how I feel about it. I pretty much don't care about the Doctor's fake-death though. I think Moffat needs to move away from fake deaths as a point of intrigue, because it's not intrigue when I know the death is fake and will be undone. No amount of "IT'S REALLY REAL U GUISE" in Confidentials is going to convince me that the 40-whatever year-old franchise just abruptly ended, so get on with it. All of the major players in s6 have fake-died before. It's been done, let's move on.
Austin: dream teamjohnmayergirl23 on April 25th, 2011 04:07 pm (UTC)
AS ALWAYS NEEDS MOAR RORY. That is my constant refrain. tbh, I think my ideal episode of Doctor Who has a Ten/Rose holding-hands montage followed by Rory and Wilf chattin' it up while Eleven is in the background being adorable.

The Silence were freaky just because they reminded me of less-scary Gentlemen from Buffy, but as you haven't seen that, you probs don't care.

Preggo!Amy was unexpected? I mean, kind of expected, but I wasn't sure that it'd actually happen.

And somewhere along the way, I fell in love with Eleven and River's little interactions? She used to be so despised, but now I'm like GET IT GIRL. Matt Smith's precious factor also helps.
Kali: dw :: doctordonna :: i like saturdays_thirty2flavors on April 25th, 2011 04:36 pm (UTC)
I love Rory so much. I'm not sure if I would have loved Rory as much if he had been in RTD Who, but in Moffat's Who he's basically the lone voice of reason and sanity and ordinariness and I love him for it. His scene with River was great.

I thought Amy would get pregnant at the end of the season and then that is why she and Rory would leave. But this is apparently ... already.. after they've left? Kind of? UGH I DON'T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND.

Hahah I was liking River a lot in this episode, she and Rory were my favourites. I was okay with her flirting with Eleven except that some of the sex jokes were a bit much. The "screamer" thing sort of made me wrinkle my nose in a Mrs Lovejoy-esque way.
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