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Current mood: indescribable

Say it with me: "Well, I'm back..."
So. I spent ten hours in line yesterday, two of which were with [info]smolder and [info]kitarra and another two of which were spent in comfy seats in the the theater, thank goodness. And we got GREAT seats. Still, six hours alone in the Santa Ana wind behind a gaggle of teenagers from a church school...I want a medal, dammit.

So. I've seen it. :) :) :) I think my initial reaction was utter quivering (literally) fascination, followed by three-and-a-half hours' worth of alternating joy and shock. It was an incredible movie, but I also think there were severe pacing problems, some story cuts/changes that made me want to scream, and a few moments which were overplayed to the point of innappropriate audience laughter. Which were balanced by the WOW moments and the Ooo! moments, and a couple lines I admit I was able to raptly mouth along with the screen. *blush*

I'm not functioning well enough yet to do more than randomly list things. All of the LJ-Cuts below are loaded with spoilers, needless to say...

23 Things That Made Me Squee (Or Cringe In A Good Way, As The Case May Be)

1) Beregond! Sure, they never said his name, but that was Ian Hughes, and he had LINES. *squee*
2) Eldarion! The kid, that was Eldarion! It was in the credits!
3) I'll have you notice Eomer (aka "mah boy") took down two mumakil with one shot. *preens*
4) Sam. ROCKS. As he should.
5) The Eagles! The Eagles are coming!
6) The beacon sequence blew my socks off.
7) The Dead. OMG the Dead. O.O
8) The counting! And "That only counts as one." *luffs Gimli*
9) The charge of the Rohirrim. Eeee!
10) Erk erk all the horse-crushing ERK.
11) The fact that everyone in Minas Tirith used the name "Mithrandir" for our favorite White Wizard.
12) The Gamgee wedding! And Ally and Maizie! *squeak* Is it possible adore Rosie any more without being Mary Borsellino? I don't think so!
13) The suicide charge. And the severed heads. I was sure they'd leave those out. *shudder*
14) Frodo's barely-healed wounds from Weathertop and Moria (?).
15) The rings! You could see Vilya and Narya on Elrond and Gandalf's respective hands at the Grey Havens! And omg that was KeeeerCirdan there too. :)
16) Eomer without armor. For about, oh, ten seconds. BUT STILL.
17) Grond. Grond. Grond. Grond. Eheh.
18) Look who got secondary title credits: Lawrence! Yay! Loved the bitchy little "step aside" maneuver by his orc, if I identified him correctly.
19) The palantir certainly LOOKED good.
20) Feverish!Faramir. Poor baby. I wonder how the enemy knew to send HIM back like that? There's a story there, eh...
21) "And THAT'S for my old gaffer!"
22) More drunken hobbit table-dancing! I'm surprised they both wound up in their own, er, pallets that night. *duck*
23) And yup, PJ's kids showed up as Cute Gondorian Children.

9 Things That Made Me Go "Okay, PJ, THAT Was A Decent Change"

1) Pippin lighting the beacon fire.
2) Pippin singing.
3) Legolas taking out that mumak. I was braced for cheesy, but okay, it was kinda cool. *looks embarrassed*
4) The way the endless trudge across Mordor was handled.
5) Having Frodo last four years instead of one so Elanor would be a toddler and Frodo-lad would have been born. Tres cute.
6) Sam taking the Ring off-camera. Nice bit of suspense for the non-book people.
7) Giving Merry the reins. If anyone know how to dodge between the feet of large four-legged animals, it's a hobbit!
8) Pippin finding Merry on the field afterward. Even if the slashometer DID nearly shatter. *facepalm*
9) Merry being able to tell his Rider was Eowyn. It always DID seem rather unobservant of him.

15 Things That Made Me Go "WTF No Nooo"

1) Denethor's death. WHAT. THE. FUCK?!?! That'll get a rant of its own, I think...
2) Beregond not doing ANYTHING. I mean yeah, I see the point thematically of having Pippin save Faramir, but would it have killed PJ to have "one of the guards" (*cough*ianhughes*cough*) break ranks and help?
3) Could Legolas and Aragorn have been any slashier at the coronation? If Arwen hadn't turned up, I'm pretty sure the King was about to snog his elf right there in front of the entire world.
4) Okay, Theoden, die already.
5) Okay, Frodo, go west already.
6) No minor characters, but I already bitched about that.
7) Arwen's dying because of the Ring?! How stupid is that? Doubly so because it ended up meaning nothing to the plotline anyway!
8) The way Dunharrow was designed -- if it's that evil, why climb all the way up there to camp? But maybe that's a canon WTF too.
9) The cheeseball "Fellowship Reunited" scene towards the end. I felt my teeth rotting. (And that was only eight of 'em, anyway. *sulks*)
10) No Mouth of Sauron? I KNOW he was cast... I guess I can see why he was cut, but I was kinda looking forward to him.
11) The more I think about it, the more annoyed I am with how Eomer got cut out AGAIN. That scene where he loses it on the Pelannor has always been a fave.
12) Would it had killed PJ to leave something in about Aragorn and the palantir? He held it for a moment, it affected him. It would have taken five seconds to gasp to Gandalf that Sauron knows about him now or sommat.
13) Merry, you idiot, don't just stand there -- frickin' knock the palantir from Pippin's hands!
14) Let me just mention Denethor's death again, because I'm LIVID about it.
15) Most important, as said, no sign of Eowyn/Faramir. *weeps*

3 Things That Made Me Go "But It Was In The Preview..." (yes, I know, "wait for the extended version," I'm just saying)

1) Eomer's anguish. See icon.
2) Gandalf & Pippin vs. the Witch King.
3) Merry swearing allegiance to Theoden.

10 Things You Should Know If You've Only Seen The Movie

1) Eowyn didn't ride to the Black Gate because of her injuries. As didn't Merry. And Pippin gets hurt there.
2) And oh yeah, Eowyn falls in love with Faramir and marries him. KIND OF IMPORTANT. *fumes*
3) When the hobbits got home, the Shire was ruined and they had to rally their kin to free it.
4) Four years? Hardly. Frodo lasted ONE year before he had to leave.
5) YES, Sam does eventually get to join him, but only after thirteen children. ;)
6) The Three Hunters did NOT go through the Paths alone -- they went with a pack of Aragorn's Dunedain kin, plus Arwen's kick-ass twin brothers. And Legolas did NOT lose Arod (that's his horse, hello?).
7) Hang on, Celeborn did NOT leave with Galadriel...and where was Shadowfax, hmm?
8) Yes, Legolas and Gimli stuck together after that.
9) Aragorn found a new living White Tree and planted it in the courtyard. The old one was cut down, chopped up, and turned into a magic wardrobe.
10) ...okay, no, it wasn't.

AND. This is me stopping now before I rattle on all day. Still haven't fully absorbed this all in my internal "movie canon," if that makes any sense. Give me a few days and another showing. I'm also fighting to keep my own mental images o everything intact, which is hard, but I'm trying...

More later perhaps when I can think again -- I'm functioning on three hours of sleep and trying to catch up on work. Oh! Chris did finish his chainmail in time, and he looked fantastic in costume (!). I'll have pictures up tonight, though believe me, I do not think they do it justice. He was drop-dead sexy, if you ask me...but so was Plastic Eomer, and I got pictures of HIM in his new ROTK duds too. *G* Again, to be posted tonight.

BTW, [info]azewewish? I got your message. "Ran into Sala Baker at Trilogy Tuesday" indeed. Argh! ARGH! You! Bitch! *dramatic jealous hissyfit*

And one last tiny thing: *sniff* I'm so proud...




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[info]silveraspen
2003-12-17 09:35 am UTC (link)
Thanks so much for the spoilers and the heads-up on what was there/good, missing, and changed! I'm reading everything I can find in advance so that I can go in prepared. I didn't do that for TTT, and my friends nearly had to smother me to keep me quiet during the Faramir Character Assassination sequence. ;)

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[info]jenjinn
2003-12-17 09:57 am UTC (link)
Honestly, by the time they got to ROTK there was way too much they had to get in, especially since all the stuff from Two Towers didn't make it into that movie (which is what really had me nervous). My brain has sort of made this division of movie-verse and book-verse, like it does for BtVS and X-Men. There are some things that make me feel like they got to ROTK and went, "Oh crap ... We're running out of time and money. Quick. Get all the big stuff in however you can."

I am a little irked that Denethor didn't die clutching the Palantir, but him making eye contact with Faramir and completely crumpling like he did was heartwrenching.

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[info]revieller
2003-12-17 10:03 am UTC (link)
It pissed me off so badly how there was NO interaction between Eowyn and Eomer save for wyn getting all righteous and Eomer looking like an ass. As soon as I realized they weren't going to have any sort of brother/sister relationship worth capturing, I KNEW he was going to cut out the battlefield angst.

But the lack of Faramir/Eowyn bothered me most, because NO he didn't make up for it in any way. If you follow only the movie-- there was no closure for either of them with the exception of the unexplained smile at the end? Last we saw of Faramir he was feverish and watching his daddy burn up, Eowyn was heavily wounded and watched her uncle die. For all we can tell they're both still suicidal. Where is the soul healing? ;_;

And... yeah... just wait for the EE. That's what I keep telling myself.

... sorry for this huge long rant as a comment. All of my friends, who are movie as opposed to book fans, are simply in awe: "that was the greatest thing i've ever see in my life!" So I cannot exactly express those sentiments to them.

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[info]rookafella
2003-12-17 04:40 pm UTC (link)
YES! You don't know but, but that totally irked me in the end. There was no Faramir/Eowyn interaction at all. They just stood together at the end with that whole smile... thing! I mean, I'm not exactly the biggest Eowyn fan in the world, but I wanted closure for her, what with Aragorn loving Arwen and all. Ya know? They just didn't address it really.

Anyway, Extended Edition, maybe? We can hope.

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[info]rookafella
2003-12-17 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I meant 'you don't know me'*. ^__^;

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[info]rhienelleth
2003-12-17 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Ok, so I'm a HUGE Eowyn/Faramir fan from reading the book, and I, too, was peaved when I found out it was cut for the theatrical movie, but I do know for fact that it is all being added back in for the EE. I went into the movie today knowing what would be in the end, and what wouldn't, and maybe that's why i was able to enjoy it.

When they finally got this thing all together, it was six hours long. PJ had to cut it. New Line was never going to go for a four hour movie, much less a six. As it was, we got three hours and forty-two minutes. I loved the movie. I stopped being ticked at stuff that was different (movie vs book) back at Fellowship.

The theaterical releases are for the fans that will never read the book, that need to focus on the two main characters -- Frodo and Aragorn. PJ does the EE DVDs for us. :)

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[info]rookafella
2003-12-18 08:03 am UTC (link)
Well it is a relief to know it was originally there. I assumed it was, because personally, I have total faith in PJ. He did great on FotR and TTT, and I knew he'd do a brilliant job on this one.

It just bothered me a bit at first. I LOVED the theaterical release though, and even with everything that had to get cut (which I knew was going to happen, as well) it was still a brilliant film. As of now, RotK is my favorite of the three, and this just makes me more excited for the EE DVDs :]

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[info]irian
2003-12-17 10:42 am UTC (link)
Hee. Thanks for the spoiler. I was asking for some in my journal, since I don't mind them.

9) Aragorn found a new living White Tree and planted it in the courtyard. The old one was cut down, chopped up, and turned into a magic wardrobe.

Oh, and can I say that I loved this one? Hehe. And will that wardrobe lead into another land that's always winter and never Christmas, whose movie version will possibly also be filme din New Zealand?


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[info]sff_corgi
2003-12-17 05:50 pm UTC (link)
[joins [info]irian in much snarfling]

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[info]irian
2003-12-18 09:13 am UTC (link)
Can I say that I just love your icon? Is that supposed to be Ein from Cowboy Bebop?

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[info]sff_corgi
2003-12-18 09:49 am UTC (link)
It's definitely Ein! (There are no Cardigans in anime....)

That's Jet's fancy-dress wig from the Teddy Bomber episode, with Andy the Cowboy/Spike's evil twin.

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[info]dawnkiller
2003-12-17 10:44 am UTC (link)
9) Aragorn found a new living White Tree and planted it in the courtyard. The old one was cut down, chopped up, and turned into a magic wardrobe.
10) ...okay, no, it wasn't.



K, you are now solely responsible for any and all Narnia/LOTR crossovers that use this as a premise. Even if it does make more sense than burying magic rings around a . . . tree . . . eugh, now I'm wondering if the ring-thing wasn't an injoke between Tolkien and Lewis.

. . .

Oh my God. You just gave me the most horrible idea for RPS ever: Tolkien/Lewis slash (theirloveissoacademic).

. . . I think it's time for me to go to sleep.


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*bows*
[info]_redpanda_
2003-12-17 11:36 am UTC (link)
I think I've seen it. I KNOW the Sockpuppets did it. *eyebleach*

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[info]adjectivegirl
2003-12-17 10:45 am UTC (link)
Hello, I am sent by [info]circe_tigana linkage and since I can't think of anything else but ROTK, I'l mention more things that are in the trailer and not (and also *can't*) be in the movie.

-Theoden has some of Aragorn's speech lines(!!)
-Elrond does not go and collect Arwen up in his arms in the pretty red dress. In fact the whole leaves blowing on her thing wasn't quite there either.
-The whole damn line "You gave away your life's grace...I cannot protect you anymore" (Arwen's getting beefed up a lot in the EE I can already tell)

Um, yeah that's all I remember. One of the more misleading yet great trailers for a obviously great film.

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[info]cocoajava
2003-12-17 11:16 am UTC (link)
LOVE this post. Wow. You said so much! And you know me, I don't mind being spoiled at all - I'll see it after the weekend.

ehehe. Although one part of my brain read your post and saw:

blah blah blah blah FARAMIR blah blah blah blah BEREGOND blah blah blah.

*smacks that part of my brain*

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[info]_redpanda_
2003-12-17 11:25 am UTC (link)
Ahahahahah. I squealed and clutched Chris' arm when I recognized Ian -- like, all three times. He thinks I'm mad.

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[info]finabair
2003-12-17 12:44 pm UTC (link)
I was a trifle less disturbed by the way Denny's death played out than by the fact that there was no indication of his close personal relationship with his palantir.

...yeah, yeah, I know, wait for the EE.

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[info]clanwilliam
2003-12-17 01:39 pm UTC (link)
I flipped over the whole Eowyn thing - especially considering what they cut the fight down in favour of (and killed the dramatic impact of that scene utterly). I'm sorry, but a poncy elf doing *that* to an Oliphaunt is *not* the pivotal moment of the battle, especially considering that the Rohirrim managed to take out far more Oliphaunts on their own, while what Eowyn did was one of the crucial moments in the battle.

What really killed me on it was that it was an incredibly simple editing job - Eowyn has fight, Eowyn has emotional farewell with Theoden, Eowyn collapses. Eomer rides up, Eomer realises what's happened, Eomer has to go back and fight because things are desperate. Ships show up, Rohirrim spot them, have "oh shit" expressions. *Then* Aragorn and the Dead arrive (yes, I know the Dead weren't actually there in the book but it was rather cool) and we don't get the sodding elf doing his surf dude act and all are happy and we get a far stronger dramatic structure in exactly the same amount of film time.

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[info]anglinsbees
2003-12-18 09:09 pm UTC (link)
I am relieved I wasn't the only one who hated Legolas doing a tarzan on the oliphant.
*Whew*

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[info]windsong_moon
2003-12-23 09:46 am UTC (link)
You're not alone. Grr.

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[info]vivien529
2003-12-17 05:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm a friend of silveraspen - we were both seeeeeething together during TTT. Your post was very, very helpful as I am trying with all my Tolkien lovin' heart to at least halfway enjoy the movie when I see it Thursday night.

Oh man, oh man... it's such a beautiful series of movies and everything looks right and is pronounced right, so why oh why couldn't they just have stuck to the freaking original story just a little bit more? Why.....

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[info]shes_unreal
2003-12-17 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Faramir and Eowyn looked at each other at the end. *snort* There was their moment.

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[info]teluekh
2003-12-17 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Ramlatch and I saw it. I provided....er...some commentary.

I must say that (even through tears) I cracked up a bit at seeing the Zombie Tree of Gondor in bloom. But is was a -fun- amusement rather than a 'WTF?' amusement.

Plus points: no dwarf-tossing jokes!
Also, redhead-elf-on-horse that Ramlatch missed. Hee hee.
And okay, Gandalf constantly smacking Denethor around with the staff was hysterical. Of course, now I have a young!Denethor/ OvereagerSchoolmaster!Gandalf bunny. And new insight into Denethor not wanting his boys to be wizards' pupils :D

Minus points: Denethor's death (just the death, the rest of the pyre was...okay), and his lack of table manners during the Faramir scene. I mean, seriously. Would it kill Peter to give him a fork? Or even a knife...Also, needs more feanorian shinies Palantirs :D

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[info]fiere
2003-12-18 06:35 am UTC (link)
9) Aragorn found a new living White Tree and planted it in the courtyard. The old one was cut down, chopped up, and turned into a magic wardrobe.
10) ...okay, no, it wasn't.


*snarfs her juice*

with the eowyn/faramir thing.. i know it's been mentioned a million times here already but... GAH! they could've done something.. like in the last scene they could have showed wyn and faramir smiling (like they did), then they could've turned to eachother and smiled and then a closeup of them holding hands or something. yes, i am randomly commenting in journals proclaiming my miffed-ness.

adore the legolas dies icon, of course. (can i steal?)

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[info]sagralisse
2003-12-18 09:35 am UTC (link)
I'll have you notice Eomer (aka "mah boy") took down two mumakil with one shot. *preens* Oh hell yeah.

Would you like to add your favorites to the list at [info]stupidring? ::shiny eyes::

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[info]_redpanda_
2003-12-18 11:29 am UTC (link)
Oh god, I'd flood you. :) Let me think about it!

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*sporfle*
[info]sagralisse
2003-12-18 09:46 am UTC (link)
You know slash has eaten our collective brains when these two statements land in the same thread:

Could Legolas and Aragorn have been any slashier at the coronation? If Arwen hadn't turned up, I'm pretty sure the King was about to snog his elf right there in front of the entire world.

-and-

You don't know but, but that totally irked me in the end. There was no Faramir/Eowyn interaction at all. They just stood together at the end with that whole smile... thing!

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Re: *sporfle*
[info]_redpanda_
2003-12-18 11:27 am UTC (link)
Perhaps that's what that fantastic Aragorn/Arwen kiss was all about -- attempting to inject enough het back into the movie to keep its head about the slash waterline...

Oh who are we kidding, it wasn't enough. Somebody give me Aragorn/Eomer-in-a-tent-at-Dunharrow pleeeeeeeease! *G*

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Re: *sporfle*
[info]sagralisse
2003-12-18 12:48 pm UTC (link)
Gah... it's easier for me to think about slash when the movie will let me catch my breath. It's really easy for boring, sucky movies. For this one? Sorry, there's no room in my brain for it. Maybe after I've seen it six or eight more times... maybe.

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[info]kyesophina
2003-12-18 02:37 pm UTC (link)
So THAT'S why Arwen was looking all sickly in the previews...

All things from the first two movies considered, most of the things didn't surprise me except that. She was "dying" because of the Ring? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

So Eowyn went to the Black Gates?

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[info]evereven
2003-12-18 06:49 pm UTC (link)
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<<Frodo's barely-healed wounds from Weathertop and Moria (?).>>

no not from Moria. Yes, the one on his shoulder was from Weathertop, but the second one, the roundish one was from Shelob's bite. There might have been a third one that I missed though. Then again, the stab from the cave troll didnt break the skin thanks to the mithril vest.

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You're probably right, but it looked healed-over
[info]_redpanda_
2003-12-19 08:00 am UTC (link)
I thought it at least drove the rings into his skin and gave him a nasty mark. Chainmail does that. ;)

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[info]teasingfool
2003-12-20 01:17 pm UTC (link)
10 Things You Should Know If You've Only Seen The Movie

Word.


The only time I saw Eowyn and Faramir together was at the end of the movie. Gurr.

*g* Recognize the icon? From a rather long time ago.

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[info]loriel_eris
2003-12-20 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Love the lists! (Found you via <lj user="corngirl_jo>). I must admit, I agree with about 99% of them. :)

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[info]geekydork
2003-12-21 06:34 pm UTC (link)
9) The cheeseball "Fellowship Reunited" scene towards the end. I felt my teeth rotting.

*smacks PJ* Why? It was screaming slash! Especially with the extra long staring scene between Frodo and Sam. Of course, I kept thinking that half the audience would not realize that Frodo had no idea that Gandalf was still alive.

10) No Mouth of Sauron? I KNOW he was cast... I guess I can see why he was cut, but I was kinda looking forward to him.

He's to be in the EE, and while I was also looking forward to him, it would have made the movie *that* much longer.

Things in trailer
I've another to add. The whole "We shall see the Shire again," scene between Merry and Pippin was cut.

The scouring of the Shirt
Anyone else pissed that since PJ didn't like these chapters, he didn't film them, not even for EE?

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