chris ([info]_fool) wrote,
@ 2007-12-11 19:08:00
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live to work, work to live.
no, not really. come on, people, has nothing i've said about chasing your dream, finding your own meaning in life, and subverting the dominant paradigm stuck with you? work is not life! money is not wealth! tune in, turn on, and drop out! ok, maybe that's a little extreme too. i wish i had the answers for an easy and legal way out of the system that left you living (comfortably) in the first world, but i don't. the astute reader may infer from the previous statement most of the answers that i *do* have, which i consider suboptimal for the time being. however, if i ever turn up missing, you might come back to this post and start wondering which of those qualifications i decided was no longer important and then you might have some idea where to look for me =)

what prompts today's expedition down into the crevasses of the mind of this fool? job interviews, of course! i had two, both of which went extremely well and are likely to land me no job i want, and i had a missed connection ("i guess you can leave a resume...") which saddened me more than the thorough waste of time with the interviewing. actually, i misrepresent that. though i don't think either of today's interviews will lead to a job that has me any happier, both of them taught me something which will without doubt improve my future job application adventures:


interview #1 was with nike; it was ridiculously enough a phone screen with a woman who works within 500 yards of where i took her call. since i work in the vaguest of cube farms (it's more like a long, long table with 4 people at it, with another long table with 6 people across an open space to our backs. there is nothing to break the noise up, and we (mostly. except the woman next to me.) have a shared respect about not taking personal or long telephone calls while others are trying to work, and leaving our cell phones on vibrate and walking out of the area to answer them. so, i couldn't interview at my desk. i really just wanted to walk over and sit down to chat with her (why i needed to get screened when i am applying for *the job i am already doing* was beyond me, but bear with me since the story has a...not unhappy ending), but she insisted that would complicate things and so instead she reserved me a conference room which i occupied all by my lonesome for an hour. she was 15 minutes late in calling; it's fortunate i brought a book and that the chairs in the conference room are far more comfortable than our desk chairs. which are Not Great. but i can slouch effectively, so they work okay for me. aaaaanyway...

she called and took 5 minutes establishing that, yes, i was fully aware of the job needs, work environment, etc, since i was already performing them and experiencing them, respectively. she then asked me some pretty insubstantial questions like "what is it you do?" and "how do you see yourself helping nike?" those were easy enough, since i have been putting a lot of thought into what i do, and how i can work this situation to some advantage for myself and my group. she then spent a while kind of making me drool about the benefits, which are, frankly, really good. 5% 401k matching, 15% bonus plus an average 4% stock bonus plus a really decent employee stock purchase program on the money side, and a lot of time off, partial flex time, great sports facilities with trainers and physical therapists, etc. all stuff that i don't see at all, right now, save the flexish time. so, yeah, i was kind of thinking "all of that might offset some of my unhappiness" by the end of the interview. but i realized, i don't want any unhappiness in my job. i've really enjoyed all my past jobs and why shouldn't i really enjoy my next one?

the thing that actually made this not a waste of time is that 1) i love fairy tales, even if they don't have a happy ending and 2) she informed me that the next interview would be with my team (whom i have already interviewed well with) but that it will only be 25% technical. she warned me that the other 75% would be questions like "describe a situation you've been in where you had to reconcile two conflicting needs, how you handled it, and what the outcome was." i hate questions like this--but as i chatted with [info]chicafantasma afterwards i came to the conclusion that i mostly hate them when i have to answer them on the spot. so now, instead of a really shaky interview where i say "uhhh....give me a minute to rack my brain and come up with a lackluster example", i can spend 4 hours of my precious free time racking my brain so that i hopefully emerge with 5-6 tales of terror in which i triumph in different ways, and, she recommended, one in which i fail, to demonstrate learning. my problem with these questions isn't that i haven't solved problems, or whatever, but that my memories are simply not indexed that way. i don't have a convenient "problems solved" drop down in my internal search engine. ask me about "problems with the mailserver" and i'll do better (but she said, non-technical, so i think i'll try to work in some stuff about mentoring and the texas 4000 experience), but still, i really need to preload those search results. putting me under pressure does not, in this case, improve results. if you wanted to be helpful, and your mind *is* wired in such a way as to make those results easily accessible, an example from your own life might inspire me to find some from mine. also, if you can come up with "5-6" different ways to ask questions along those lines, it would help me come up with responses that might answer the various shades of that question...

the thing that makes this good instead of merely torture (which it plainly also is!) is that other people will surely ask me these questions at some point in the interview process, and i do hope to have other interviews at some point soon, since i want...other jobs. so i'll call it a growing pain and time invested in something worthwhile, in the end. even if i lose a lot of respect for nike's interview process as a result (ply me with personality and applied problem solving questions, please! i love that shit!)



so then i bailed from the office and headed downtown to talk with "the nation's leading supplier of IT professionals".


i guess i asked for it a little--i mean, with a slogan like that, i should have seem this coming, right? and then i really stepped in it when i asked the guy "so, i got cold called [by some dude who didn't even show up to this interview--i was talking to his boss]. i don't exactly know why you called me. most recruiters who call have a job opening that they ask me to evaluate for fitness..." and he launched into a sales spiel about the company. "we invented contracting. we've been at it for 60 years. we are frequently imitated, rarely emulated." it is rather fortunate that the guy was extremely friendly and genuine (despite the canned pitch) and looked and behaved one heck of a lot like [info]xomox, or else i probably would have zoned out and shut down. it's weird, because i don't think that [info]xomox would have been that animated about the company and its amazing history and wonderful opportunities, but when we got into talking tech, life goals, etc, i totally zoned into thinking i *was* talking to my friend and not this guy in a suit, and actually had some fun with it. it was suddenly very easy to be honest and i like that a lot. and the guy was very accepting of, even interested in (or a good enough actor to convince me) the honest answers.

it turns out that they're part of the other side of the recruiter coin. the kind i've known have all been the "we are one of 50 people whom Company X told about this job and ran out to monster.com to try to find a candidate and make maximal money off them with minimal effort". they have a pretty decent system (ok, it was annoying as hell, but it was well-engineered and obviously very functional) for candidate intake, they meet all their candidates in person, and they actually profess to want to find you a job you'll be happy with. this is also a well-engineered concept which i'm surprised other recruiters i've talked to aren't really concerned about: will i enjoy the work? that's my number one criterion for wanting to keep a job--am i having fun? fortunately for me, fun can include the hard work, the struggle, the intractable problems, etc, but it has to engage and be in a good environment. and this guy actually cared to find me work like that. now, considering my tastes, i'm not sure they get work like that. but hey, i'm willing to chance it at a cost of an hour spent chatting with this incredibly happy man.

what was good about this interview (aside from reminding me that i could find an employer who wants me to be happy instead of just satisfied or tolerant...though i realize an increasing percentage of the workforce is lucky to even get that, i do not plan to be on that side of the statistical curve for long, or ever again if i can help it!) was that he took one look at my resume and said "can i be frank? this doesn't work at all." and while i'm kind of proud of my resume, being as i spent a long time carefully choosing what to emphasize about each job and describing it as concisely as i can manage, it looks like a man page. because i laid it out that way on purpose--i thought (and still think) it was clever and that it would resonate with a unix geek, which is who i want to work with. and that has served me well to some extent--i have gotten my last 3 jobs with it. however, he points out, that a unix geek is unlikely to be who i'll work *for*. and even more important to my quest, this resume is unlikely to tickle the person in HR who has to decide to pass it to the person i'll eventually work for. the meat of his point was that it's pretty darn dense and nothing pops out, so in a stack of a hundred, it's instantly marginalized since they can't even figure out who i worked for without deep reading.

i'm of two minds about it--one, on the idealistic side, i'd like to have my resume be a huge in-joke that only the people i'd want to work for would get. i hate keeping up appearances to/for people i don't care about (hi, that's you, HR!) however, i guess that in a corporate environment, that's the way i have to play if i want to win. and i'm losing at the moment. so i'll give it a try. and he is right--it's dense and you have to really want to read it to read it. right, [info]kdaisy721? i might need some training in bullet lists, sad as that is to me. but thanks to your magic, i'll have more room to work with. so at least there's that. and i still have that fabulous cover letter that [info]chicafantasma came up with. so i've got that going for me too.



the missed connection is short enough to leave outside the cut--i know i'm verbose, but you, too, can suffer a little, skimmers! my dream job would of course be...working at a university. and some time ago a poster in [info]damnportlanders gave me the "in" to getting a tech job on the big campus here ( http://www.pdx.edu )--told me who to go talk to and where. since i was already downtown during a workday, i dropped by and asked for her...and she was out. le sigh. i told the human firewall why i was there and she invited me to leave a resume, but since the human firewall was a tier 1 helpdesker, and i was hoping to talk to aforementioned contact about positions elsewhere in the university as well...well, i need to go back and find her. in case i actually get a call or email about my resume soon from her, then yay! in case i don't, i'll try to find out enough info to actually contact her in some way that isn't "stop by at a very inconvenient (for me) time and hope she's around" and see if i can't schedule a meeting. because i'm very interested, now, in finding The Job, not just A Job. although A (different) Job might serve to keep me sane for a few months in the interim. who knows.

oh, and if you read this far, a boring unrelated bonus question! because i'm guessing you need some negative deinforcement for reading my entries in their entirety! er. nah, i just didn't want to start off with this:

godaddy having frustrated me to death, and register.com being evil incarnate, who the heck else is a decent domain registrar these days? thanks in advance for your help!


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universities
[info]obsqurity
2007-12-12 05:18 am UTC (link)
There's also OHSU, which has a massively huge IT department. However I suspect that it's so large and bureaucratic that it effectively trumps any of the 'university' aspects... unless you're purely in research, like I am.

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Re: universities
[info]kdaisy721
2007-12-12 05:48 am UTC (link)
Hmm, I asked at school about our IT department a few weeks ago. Apparently there's pretty low turnover, lots of people just trying to keep their jobs through budget cuts. But maybe that's only the case with OGI IT folk, not OHSU at large?

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Re: universities
[info]_fool
2007-12-13 03:47 am UTC (link)
i need to be a little more religious about checking their jobs page, just in case. thanks for the reminder!

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Re: universities
[info]_fool
2007-12-13 03:48 am UTC (link)
i've done research before and i've done non-research before, and both are better at a university than i'm feeling right now. bureaucracy is a problem, but not having fun work is a bigger problem.

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Re: universities
[info]obsqurity
2007-12-13 04:13 am UTC (link)
It's really interesting to hear you say all that, because I'm currently looking to jump away from the university realm and finally land a position in industry. (and I've always kinda secretly hoped to get a foot in the door at nike someday).

What exactly are you looking to do? Have you checked out the OHSU jobs listings yet?

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Re: universities
[info]_fool
2007-12-13 04:26 am UTC (link)
i'm not saying that the real world is bad, just that i like a lot of the unreal world aspects i soaked in, in academia. this is not to say i want to be a student, but the environment of encouraged learning and experimentation, and the lack of money as a primary motivator (we're not losing $10,000 every minute the webserver is down) was a big win for me.

i'm a unix geek; i'm looking to do more of the same. i'm good at it and i enjoy it.

i just gandered at ohsu's jobs page and it's surprisingly (to me) much more fruitful than pdx.edu's. not that there was actually anything there for me, but there were more than the handful of total possibilities that psu's jobs page lists. thanks for the encouragement!

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Re: universities
[info]obsqurity
2007-12-13 04:39 am UTC (link)
Yeah, keep an eye on the ohsu site, b/c stuff gets updated pretty frequently. (Though hiring seems to pretty much suck everywhere from now til after the start of the year.)

I don't generally recall seeing a huge number of pure unix-y jobs there, but I know that they do exist.

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Re: universities
[info]_fool
2007-12-13 04:27 am UTC (link)
oh, and i'd help you with a foot in the door if i could, but you really don't want to work with my group and i know 0 other people there. i think a good foot-in-the-door thing might be to put a resume up on monster, since they do *heavy* traffic in contractors without ever posting those jobs to the public.

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Re: universities
[info]obsqurity
2007-12-13 04:45 am UTC (link)
I kind of doubt I'll ever end up there, at least not soon. My training is in biomedical informatics, so I have a ton of medical and research biology background, and less of the serious computer science. I'm still definitely looking to leverage the biomedical stuff and stay in that realm a little while longer.

I know what you mean about the group situation though. A good/bad group makes all the difference in the world.

And the help thing... ditto. I don't know many people in ITG proper, but I do work with one *very* powerful woman, who seems to have her tentacles in every single bio + heavy computing project on the whole campus. She's busy as hell, but if you can manage to impress her, she can pull many many strings.

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[info]bluejayway
2007-12-12 05:47 am UTC (link)
this! is! neat! you are verbose but I like reading it.

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[info]ghewgill
2007-12-12 06:59 am UTC (link)
I use namecheap.com, and have for years. They do DNS included with your domain registration, which a lot of the really bottom-of-the-barrel registrars don't.

As for resume format, I'd offer mine as an example but in reality it's only ever landed me one job, so I'm not so sure it's necessarily the best example. :)

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[info]_fool
2007-12-13 03:46 am UTC (link)
thanks! was cheap, straightforward, and seems functional.

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[info]summernot
2007-12-13 08:35 am UTC (link)
Add me to the resume offer list. Mine has landed two jobs in pretty competitive candidate fields. I received compliments on it the last time I used it from some of my WFM team members who interviewed me.

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[info]goulo
2007-12-13 08:46 am UTC (link)
If you want another suggestion, I have happily used simpleurl.com for a long time.

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[info]ww0308
2007-12-12 08:14 pm UTC (link)
I think you're right on that preloading is the key for that kind of handy interview anecdote.

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Flexible jobs
(Anonymous)
2007-12-28 09:21 pm UTC (link)
To find flexible jobs that are professional, a great site to check out is www.flextime.com. Good luck with the search!

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