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19 July 2010 @ 03:10 pm
The Current State Of Grit  

Hi guys,

This is loooong overdue, but I can’t put it off any longer.

 Yes, Grit has been on hiatus.

 Long story short: I’ve been struggling with myself over Grit, and after much weighing-up and soul searching, I (personally – not Danny) can’t keep doing this the way I have been. Before panic sets in, this doesn’t mean I’m dropping Grit. But I am dropping the format of single-episode releases.

 Grit will return, but it needs a new website, new page-at-a-time archive so that we can start doing page updates like every other webcomic does. I loved the immersion of the flash format, but practically it’s time to lose it. I’m working on getting the funds together to get the new site built, but can’t give any dates. The forum will stay, but everything else won’t, so if you want a heads-up when the new site is built and Grit is back, I'll give one here as well as the forum thread.

 And before anyone offers (having had offers already) to do the site for us, thank you, truly, but I need it done professionally by someone in my own city – and have someone lined up to do that who I trust and have worked with before.

 Sorry for taking so long to post this, ‘the guilts’ and procrastination are bffs.


whisperkit whisperkit on July 19th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
Aw, we understand! Personally, I'm just happy that Grit is continuing! Thanks for posting this update to clarify.
Bunny M: Ami Geek bunny_m on July 19th, 2010 11:02 am (UTC)
Let me add an enthusiastic 'What they said!' to the above comment.

And thanks for still doing Grit, also.
Sophie: happy dragon alias_sqbr on July 19th, 2010 05:33 am (UTC)
Any Grit is good Grit!
Grymm thebadgergrymm on July 19th, 2010 05:57 am (UTC)
Hey a page at a time format could definitely be a change for the better! Both for you and for us readers! And as said above "Any Grit is good Grit!
claidi: buzzcocks - the pope's got a lovely nose claidissa on July 19th, 2010 06:04 am (UTC)
I'll be sad to see the flash format go, but happy to see new Grit! Thanks for the update. ♥
Jenn: Evil Monkey lady_laguna on July 19th, 2010 06:38 am (UTC)
I think that more frequent updates might be a good change! Especially now that the story is getting more complicated. I can't wait to see what you'll accomplish. Love your stuff!
Jamie: Frazetta - Meow! uniformgrey on July 19th, 2010 07:05 am (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, glad you both are doing well and I look forward to Platinum Grit's online return and hope to do what I can to tell others about your amazing comic!

It was amazing all the work you put into Grit, and doing episode chunks is a HUGE pressure to be sure - I've just breathed a big sigh of relief knowing that this wasn't a "so long and thanks for all the fish" type post!
neekaneeks: mic neekaneeks on July 19th, 2010 07:22 am (UTC)
Down to the nitty gritty ^__^ thanks for the update~
Blackbyrd: That makes me all tingly blackbyrd2 on July 19th, 2010 07:33 am (UTC)
I thoroughly enjoyed the 'episode at a time' method, as it was like waiting for christmas and getting all my new toys at once. Uberindulgence for the win!

Having said that, I am thrilled that you're going to a regular schedule. I sincerely hope this draws a bunch more people in for you. And I'll be getting regular, but more sanely portioned doses of one of my all time favorite webcomics!
Brian dnaltews on July 19th, 2010 07:37 am (UTC)
As someone firmly in the any grit is good grit camp, I'm happy to follow along in whatever format it ends up in. Chapter-at-a-time, Page-at-a-time, whatever works. Just happy to hear it's not over yet ^^
matsya matsya on July 19th, 2010 09:42 am (UTC)
Please no guilt
Because what you've been doing has been amazing and wonderful. Take your time withe the revamp - do it right and do it in a way that satisfies you and makes things easier.

We can wait. PG is always worth the wait.

- adam
_w_o_o_d_ _w_o_o_d_ on July 19th, 2010 10:46 am (UTC)
To be honest, I hadn't noticed that it was taking longer than usual this time.

I'm not convinced that publishing a page at a time is the best way to do it for a long format story (as opposed to a strip or daily gag comic) but that's your choice to make. (it's not intended to be read that way, and it makes understanding some things difficult for the reader because he doesn't remember the page he read a month ago, but on the other side, the readers notice more of the little details on each page, and provide a great free copyediting service)

Looking forward to the new site, and new episode. Grit is, and always was worth the wait.
Trudy Cooper _gertrude_ on July 19th, 2010 11:07 am (UTC)
No, it's not the ideal for longform, but it is the standard readers are used to - even with other longform comics such as The Meek. There's been a lot of (perfectly legitimate) negative feedback over the years about the flash format, so while some pluses are lost, it will also make other things easier (such as being able to bookmark and keep reading later without having to load and scroll through 150 to 200+ panels).

I've weighed up the pros and cons for a long time now, so it isn't a sudden decision. And while I totally get what you're saying and agree, doing it this way is the only way I can actually keep doing Grit at all.
_w_o_o_d_ _w_o_o_d_ on July 19th, 2010 11:43 am (UTC)
You're right, almost every other longform webcomics is being published one page at a time.

The only counter-example I can think of is Octopus Pie. The author, Meredith Gran, started with the one-page model, and then made a switch to installment publishing.
arabel arabel on July 19th, 2010 11:22 am (UTC)
I think it's a great idea - yeah, it'll have its drawbacks, but I like the idea of having the comic as a more constant presence, and I think it might make it easier for you to gain even more of a following, perhaps? It's easy for casual readers to forget about the comic if they don't have a reason to come back regularly.

Don't feel guilty or anything, especially - do whatever you need to stay sane and get the comic out in a way you can live with.
Trudy Cooper _gertrude_ on July 19th, 2010 11:42 am (UTC)
Yep yep yep.

It'll also be a better incentive for me to do pages. Working in the lonely, silent void for months while doing whole chapters finally took its toll. Just...can't anymore. Too depressing.
hentaikid hentaikid on July 19th, 2010 12:36 pm (UTC)
Well you did influence some people and I loved the format, but I can empathize with the void thing.

Glad too to hear it's not a "game over" announcement.
Ben T-Gaidin bentgaidin on July 19th, 2010 12:56 pm (UTC)
Sounds good to me -- I was actually going back and rereading your archives the other day, and wondering how things were coming. You've done a great job so far, and I'll be looking forward to whatever comes with the new format as well.
amore_di_libri amore_di_libri on July 19th, 2010 01:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the update! And the new formatting honestly sounds awesome. I'm really excited. :D
One Phil to Rule Them All dslartoo on July 19th, 2010 02:20 pm (UTC)
Trudy: I'll be happy to see PG continue in any way, shape, or form you guys choose. Besides, this means we'll be getting to see updates more often! Yay for that. :)

zelmeowsoften zelmeowsoften on July 19th, 2010 04:21 pm (UTC)
As others have said, all I really want it to see Grit continue; it's been my favorite comic for years, and I eagerly await every new issue. The flash format was fantastic, and I loved getting big, healthy doses, even if I did have to wait a long while between them. But, if this is what it takes to keep Grit going, then I look forward to being able to read on a more regular basis!

Are you going to keep previous issues available in flash? I think it would be a nice option to reread old, already-formatted issues with that pacing, but understand that that would impact consistency.
Elizabeth: hope moon_reborn on July 19th, 2010 05:01 pm (UTC)
Like everyone else said: any Grit is good Grit. I'll miss the flash format but that's just the way it is!
finkenstein finkenstein on July 19th, 2010 05:35 pm (UTC)
I think it's interesting that while you are changing your format to single page updates, comics like Octopus Pie have switched to bulk story updates. I don't think it's about getting with the times, it's more about what you feel comfortable doing. Personally as long as I can rub my lookin' balls all over some Platinum Grit at some point I am happy with however you like to do it!
Trudy Cooper: nina cigarette _gertrude_ on July 20th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
We've been doing the flash/shockwave/web-specific thing since the late 90s and it's never been a hit. Even Meredith still does pages you can bookmark. So it kinda is a case of making it accessible (many had issues even loading them) and presented in a way people prefer to read, that might get more bums-on-seats with more frequent updates.

I've been thinking of this for a long time now, and since hitting crisis point late last year, it's also become an only-way-to-keep-going option.
finkenstein finkenstein on July 20th, 2010 02:46 am (UTC)
ahh yeah, the bookmarking issue. I totally agree that it would help you to have something people could link to easily since all of internet culture has become based on linking to things. I think it's a really smart thing to do!
Zachary G: goofybastage idyll23 on July 19th, 2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
After twelve years, five moves and 4 states, I think a change to a page-by-page update is pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
I'm just happy you're still after it for this many years. So many favorites have come and gone, but Platinum Grit remains as a story I send countless friends and acquaintances to experience.
Thanks again Trudy.
quantumduck: Quantum Duck sez: Quark Quark! quantumduck on July 19th, 2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
HTML5 can bring the same user experience to pages (once they are up) that they have in Flash/Shockwave. This way we'll just have more cliffhanger moments.

I doubt any of us would wait until the next 'issue' is done to gander at your graphic hotness if we didn't have to. I'm looking foreword to the change.
Meggo: pic#88751843 shutupmeg on July 20th, 2010 12:28 am (UTC)
Please devise a way for me to give you my moneys to fund your website overhaul, and any other Grit-related production expenses. So glad to see you're keeping on!
a hardon for sophistry relaxing on July 20th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
Have you considered doing a Kickstarter campaign? I would definitely kick quite a few bucks your way.
Meggo: zomg shutupmeg on July 21st, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)
This x2! I helped fund Poorcraft, which is turning out to be a big success, and I'd be beyond happy to to pitch in for Grit.
i_17bingo i_17bingo on July 20th, 2010 01:08 am (UTC)
As long as you keep collecting in big volumes that I can pay money for, I am totally for it.

My worn-out-from-rereading books one through three agree.
Edward J Grug III tedprior on July 20th, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
It sounds like a great way to go to me!
Brandon Graham royalboiler on July 20th, 2010 07:41 pm (UTC)
I'm looking forward to seeing new Grit.
It's always fantastic comics.
deathjelly deathjelly on August 9th, 2010 10:00 pm (UTC)
HI, I'm a bit late and haven't really got anything incredibly clever to add, just that I'm glad you're not cancelling PG and I'm looking forward to the next chapter in whatever form you publish it.
per_simmon per_simmon on August 30th, 2010 06:55 am (UTC)
I liked the flash format, but it's great that you're doing it in a way that will work for you. Go easy on 'the guilts'- Grit is a phenomenal endeavor. Looking forward to see how the new format works out.

As an aside, is there any way to purchase Grit merch directly through you? I'd love to support and would also like to do it in a way that meant that most of the money will go to you, rather than middlemen.
WAILORD MOTHA FUKKA: pic#65511747 wailord_mf on October 13th, 2010 01:44 am (UTC)
OH MY GOSH! I loved both platinum grit and Oglaf separately for so long, I never realized it was you behind both!! I love your comics, I hope you have a deviant art account or something!!
(btw: oglaf could use an about page!) <33
b xenharmonic on November 10th, 2010 08:56 am (UTC)
would it be possible to bookmark the strips that mark the start of a new episode on a sidebar or something in the new site?

i am one of the (apparently few) fans of the flash format -- i love the immersion in an entire story arc all at once! that's why i buy the books as well. i don't think my memory would be able to handle a strip-by-strip or even page-by-page format. if i could wait for an episode to be completed, then start from the beginning of that episode, i think all of your readers would be happy, whether they prefer the page-by-page or superlongthousandpanelepisode format.

but, of course, the most important thing is:
so wonderful to hear you're making a change that will allow you to be less stressed about grit!!! good luck with crafting a new site :)
Azahru azahru on November 11th, 2010 09:36 pm (UTC)
New York Comicon sends its love
Heya Trudy,

While I was at NYCC you were mentioned at iCv2 the big fancy conference on digital comics (a client paid for me to go). Awesome clever high rankers in industry (whose names are written on little pieces of paper I have lost) spoke about Platinum Grit as an example of fabulousness.

Later at the convention I overheard some folks talk about you in artists' alley. I barged into the conversation to add to comments about your awesomeness and what folks had said at iCv2. The leader of the conversation Carla Speed McNeil enthused and I may well have felt the coolest I ever have on account of having met you and sat next to you at a comics signing. She pressed a big copy of her TP Finder (Five Crazy Women) into my hands and asked that I say hello and pass on her very highest regard.

Lots of love to you from America.

Ian taitdabogan on November 26th, 2010 11:10 am (UTC)
I don't check in with Grit very often, thought this topic might be a good time to pipe up.
I've actually only read a few episodes of Grit out of sequence, but I did love those.
I kind of put off reading the whole story online, as I was hoping to get a copy of them all in print. I found it difficult to set aside enough time to complete an episode and when I did stop and come back later, the flash format wasn't all that easy to find where I was up to (There's bandwidth implications with the format too). I think the change will be good, and give you much smaller, more manageable goals to accomplish. Glad to hear you're continuing with it in a new format.

But a question to finish off with, do you have plans to publish Book 2 and 3 with Shadowline?
antelopesausage antelopesausage on June 21st, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
Keep on truckin!
I am so freaking into this comic of yours. It is my most favorite one, and you have an amazing art style. I just thought you deserved to here that again.
davidare on December 7th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
Luck with that. I recently read Platinum Grit and I find it quite interesting. I really want to know what happens next ^^
I said leave me alone. thehobbit on January 15th, 2012 09:31 am (UTC)
Super late to the party but I've been passing Oglaf off on so many people (and just got the book, bathroom reading has never been better!) that getting bums into seats should be easy with easy access often updated PG. <3
andrewg Andrew grothe on November 23rd, 2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
Also late to the party, but kudos to a great comic. Hope you are getting everything settled away.
Kef Schecter: pic#11114121 furrykef on December 20th, 2012 05:19 am (UTC)
I loved the immersion of the flash format, but practically it’s time to lose it.


I'm working on webcomic software (and a webcomic host to go with it) designed around immersion comics. (I actually came up with this concept independently a week or so ago and was pleasantly surprised a couple of hours ago to find you've already done it. Now I have an example of the medium in front of me and I love it.) I was hoping to get you on board with this but I'm sorely disappointed to find you're moving to a more traditional format. Is it for technical reasons? Because I'm developing software that works like traditional webcomic software on the "back end" of things (i.e. management) but like your immersion format on the front end of things -- only cranked up to 11. JavaScript and AJAX (no Flash), full screen views, mobile-friendly... it'll be great.

Here's hoping you're still open to the idea. If so, let me know!
Crustacelicious: photo astrocrabpuff on May 20th, 2013 06:24 pm (UTC)
Found PG again! ... only to find PG hasn't found the right format. :(

Best of luck getting PG expressed in a way that works for everyone.
Eli B on January 19th, 2014 11:50 pm (UTC)
Still missin' Grit. <3
Andrew andrew_thespis on June 7th, 2014 05:08 pm (UTC)
You and all of us. I enjoy Oglaf, and I hope it's very successful for her...but I wish she'd just say Grit's gone if she's never going back to it. At this large of a gap, it seems pretty obvious that's the case, but I wish she'd just say it...because at least that'd be closure of some kind.
Disgruntled_Girl: Harbinger of Chaos.: 7 of 9 disgruntledgrrl on September 16th, 2014 07:49 pm (UTC)
Grit still has fans!
The story's just great! Hope you get the new website up with single page updates, like you wanted.
Nichole Nuckols-Dunham Nichole Nuckols-Dunham on May 9th, 2016 03:33 am (UTC)
It's coming up on the 6 year anniversary of the hiatus. Happy Anniversary!